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    identify this Faggin frame?

    I just picked up this Faggin frame and fork, can you help ID it? (Asking here because I'm guessing it's at least 20 years old?)
    My apologies for the fuzzy photos...

    It looks like it was originally purple with white accents, but save for a few lugs it has been painted white (and scratched up pretty bad). I don't see serial number, just "54 O" on the BB shell (I think it's a 54cm) and a "4" on the fork steer tube. "Faggin" is imprinted in cursive twice on the fork crown, in all caps at the top of each seat stay, and again in all caps on the BB shell (which also has the big "F" cut-out), and there's a lone "F" mini window in each of the other lugs. It has downtube shifter bosses, internal cable routing on the top tube, a front derailer braze-on, and Gipiemme drops.

    Anyone have an idea on age, name, tubing, what the original paint job looked like, or anything else?
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    Mid 1980s, feel the inside of the downtube from the BB shell. Hany subtle ridges? Probably at double butted main tubes... possibly SL but perhaps cromor or equivalent (which is a 4130)... might be SL main tubes with cromor stays and fork blades (not an uncommon treatment of a b frame) is it a B or A frame? Hard to say... all the pantoing suggests and "A" frame so maybe full SL. There is precious little info on Faggin available to you will likely never know. The gipiemme dropouts point to B, I have seen the upper frames with campagnolo dropouts and full chrome forks and stays... so who knows... Decent bikes though... should you choose to ride it I am sure you'll like it.
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    Never heard of a Faggin. I'll bet they didn't sell to well in the US. So I'd guess it's a rarity. I'll look into this, and watch this thread for answers. Hang onto this bike - Gipiemme dropout indicate a very good quality frame. Where/how did you find this?
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    The nice details don't necessarily mean it's a high-end frameset. I have an older Faggin with the pantographed lugs and everything, and it had (it has since flaked off) a Columbus "Tre Tubi", sticker meaning the 3 main tubes are Columbus, but the rest are lesser tubing of some sort. Mind you, mine doesn't have the braze-on derailleur tab or internal routing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panthers007 View Post
    Where/how did you find this?
    It had been getting cobwebby in a friend's garage for at least a year. I gave him $40 for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dokydoky View Post
    The nice details don't necessarily mean it's a high-end frameset. I have an older Faggin with the pantographed lugs and everything, and it had (it has since flaked off) a Columbus "Tre Tubi", sticker meaning the 3 main tubes are Columbus, but the rest are lesser tubing of some sort. Mind you, mine doesn't have the braze-on derailleur tab or internal routing.
    Tre-tubi can be a misnomer of sorts... I had a bike with a Tre-Tubi decal which has SP main tubes and cromor stays and forks... still an all columbus bike a full butted tubeset.

    In anycase, there are so few Faggin for reference that I doubt the OP will ever know.
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    looks like a nice frame to me, even if it turned out to be Tre Tubi or Aelle, I bet it rides great. Seems to have rattlecan white over an all-purple paint, there could be decals or fragments under the white if you're really careful stripping it (and lucky). They aren't all that rare on the West Coast, so maybe there was an importer hereabouts...I see more Faggins than say Viners or Williers for example. Helps to know how to pronounce the name to avoid the yahoos: Fah-ZJEEN is close as I can spell it phonetically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alxndr View Post
    It had been getting cobwebby in a friend's garage for at least a year. I gave him $40 for it.
    Phttt! The Phil Wood bottom bracket, alone, is worth more than that. It looks like a nice frame that is worthy of a better paint job than it has.

    Unfortunate name. It poses an interesting question for the businessman - would you use your real surname on your "name brand" product if it significantly reduced sales?

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    Puch's marketing-division barred (as best they could) their new line of top-end bikes/frame being shipped to the USA/Canada bearing PUCH on their headbadges, etc. In the early 1980's A-D was substituted. They thought Americans/Canadians would mispronounce PUCH as PUKE or PUSH - and drive down sales.

    Apparently FAGGIN didn't have terribly aggressive marketing division behind them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Mills View Post
    Phttt! The Phil Wood bottom bracket, alone, is worth more than that. It looks like a nice frame that is worthy of a better paint job than it has.
    No Phil BB in there, it's got a Shimano now.

    I'm actually a little pleased with the "unfortunate" name and messy paint job, since I think there aren't very many thieves running around my city willing to be seen on a scratched-up bike that says "FAGGIN" on it.

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    Just sociopathic knuckleheads who might try to beat you up. Bet you could flip that bike in San Francisco for a healthy markup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alxndr View Post
    No Phil BB in there, it's got a Shimano now.

    I'm actually a little pleased with the "unfortunate" name and messy paint job, since I think there aren't very many thieves running around my city willing to be seen on a scratched-up bike that says "FAGGIN" on it.
    lol

    Don't count on it. There is no honor amongst thieves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Mills View Post
    Don't count on it. There is no honor amongst thieves.
    Oh yeah, I'll still be locking it up... But the crappy second coat of paint probably makes it harder to fence, and between that and the name carved in it, I won't be quite as nervous about locking it up in the city as I am with my other bikes.

    It will be resurrected as a fixed gear around-town bike. (And no I won't be Drewing it up.)

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    A late reply, but i am confident that this frame is a Campione del Mondo from the early 80s'. I have the exact same bike, except the frame is solid black and the fork is chrome. Tragically, I believe someone performed a crappy paintjob on this beautiful frame. If I were you, i would strip the paint and spend a little extra money to get a professional to airbrush it with a nice color.

    Looks a little worn, but a great frame nevertheless!!

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    Thanks vintagebikeman!

    Unfortunately I endo'd on this thing after riding it around for about a year. Still have the frame though, up on my shelf of Stuff I've Broken And May One Day Fix (along with two mid-80s Ironman Dave Scotts)...
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    Quote Originally Posted by alxndr View Post
    Thanks vintagebikeman!

    Unfortunately I endo'd on this thing after riding it around for about a year. Still have the frame though, up on my shelf of Stuff I've Broken And May One Day Fix (along with two mid-80s Ironman Dave Scotts)...
    Are you interested in getting rid of one of the Ironman frames?

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