Early 70s Schwinn Paramount
03-01-09, 01:27 PM
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The decals are available from Waterford as well as any other established bike painter; though usually only with a paint job. Here's my 72 Paramount, fortunately found unmolested and a track, repainted by Brian Baylis, expensive but not end of the world so, and worth every penny to me...
If you're a wine guy, imagine pulling a bottle of fine, vintage red, setting it in the sun for a few months, then using it to make some beef stew. Kinda revolting to the purists.
But its your bike, do whatever you want to it, or be brave and get it in the hands of someone who'd love it for what it is...
If you're a wine guy, imagine pulling a bottle of fine, vintage red, setting it in the sun for a few months, then using it to make some beef stew. Kinda revolting to the purists.
But its your bike, do whatever you want to it, or be brave and get it in the hands of someone who'd love it for what it is...
03-01-09, 01:35 PM
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hmm, 32, just completed work on house, baby on the way,...are you me?
As has been mentioned powder coating isnt period correct nor does it have the beauty of a proper paint job. For some bike, for many bikes, it's ok, but for a top of the line 70's paramount? No.
You have something special. Just so you know what you have and respect it, you'll do ok. I'm glad that you're even here asking for help, and didnt get scared off by the inevitable snarkyness you get here when considering anything but a period correct restoration to a machine such as yours.
The only advice I can give is this: research research research, then decide for yourself what you want to do. It might take a while though to really learn what you want to do with a bike like that, or to save up the funds to do what in the end you decide is the "right thing" with it. So in the meantime, find something else to suit your ss or fixed needs and start the process of learning about vintage stuff. I guarantee you'll have a great time doing so, and in the end maybe you'll be a bit more knowledgable on the subject and you'll have other ideas for that paramount. It will be there for you when you're ready, but dont use it as your first learning project. It's like coming across a priceless sports car and using it to practice how to do body work on. Don't do it, get a yugo instead. Or a chevy.
You get the idea I'm sure. Whatever you do , good luck, and stick around. BTW, when do you find out the sex of the baby on the way? We find out this Thursday
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As has been mentioned powder coating isnt period correct nor does it have the beauty of a proper paint job. For some bike, for many bikes, it's ok, but for a top of the line 70's paramount? No.
You have something special. Just so you know what you have and respect it, you'll do ok. I'm glad that you're even here asking for help, and didnt get scared off by the inevitable snarkyness you get here when considering anything but a period correct restoration to a machine such as yours.
The only advice I can give is this: research research research, then decide for yourself what you want to do. It might take a while though to really learn what you want to do with a bike like that, or to save up the funds to do what in the end you decide is the "right thing" with it. So in the meantime, find something else to suit your ss or fixed needs and start the process of learning about vintage stuff. I guarantee you'll have a great time doing so, and in the end maybe you'll be a bit more knowledgable on the subject and you'll have other ideas for that paramount. It will be there for you when you're ready, but dont use it as your first learning project. It's like coming across a priceless sports car and using it to practice how to do body work on. Don't do it, get a yugo instead. Or a chevy.
You get the idea I'm sure. Whatever you do , good luck, and stick around. BTW, when do you find out the sex of the baby on the way? We find out this Thursday
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whoops. that's what i meant. see, i AM a neophyte. 
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hmm, 32, just completed work on house, baby on the way,...are you me?
As has been mentioned powder coating isnt period correct nor does it have the beauty of a proper paint job. For some bike, for many bikes, it's ok, but for a top of the line 70's paramount? No.
You have something special. Just so you know what you have and respect it, you'll do ok. I'm glad that you're even here asking for help, and didnt get scared off by the inevitable snarkyness you get here when considering anything but a period correct restoration to a machine such as yours.
The only advice I can give is this: research research research, then decide for yourself what you want to do. It might take a while though to really learn what you want to do with a bike like that, or to save up the funds to do what in the end you decide is the "right thing" with it. So in the meantime, find something else to suit your ss or fixed needs and start the process of learning about vintage stuff. I guarantee you'll have a great time doing so, and in the end maybe you'll be a bit knowledgable on the subject and you'll have other ideas for that paramount. It will be there for you when you're ready, but dont use it as your first learning project. It's like coming across a priceless sports car and using it to practise how to do body work on. Don't do it, get a yugo instead. Or a chevy.
You get the idea I'm sure. Whatever you do , good luck, and stick around. BTW, when do you find out the sex of the baby on the way? We find out this Thursday.
As has been mentioned powder coating isnt period correct nor does it have the beauty of a proper paint job. For some bike, for many bikes, it's ok, but for a top of the line 70's paramount? No.
You have something special. Just so you know what you have and respect it, you'll do ok. I'm glad that you're even here asking for help, and didnt get scared off by the inevitable snarkyness you get here when considering anything but a period correct restoration to a machine such as yours.
The only advice I can give is this: research research research, then decide for yourself what you want to do. It might take a while though to really learn what you want to do with a bike like that, or to save up the funds to do what in the end you decide is the "right thing" with it. So in the meantime, find something else to suit your ss or fixed needs and start the process of learning about vintage stuff. I guarantee you'll have a great time doing so, and in the end maybe you'll be a bit knowledgable on the subject and you'll have other ideas for that paramount. It will be there for you when you're ready, but dont use it as your first learning project. It's like coming across a priceless sports car and using it to practise how to do body work on. Don't do it, get a yugo instead. Or a chevy.
You get the idea I'm sure. Whatever you do , good luck, and stick around. BTW, when do you find out the sex of the baby on the way? We find out this Thursday
.Baby is due in April-- little girl. Phoebe Caroline. Although maybe I'll change her name to C/V Paramount...
03-01-09, 01:43 PM
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Well, sorry: sounds like you're making it less than it was. I've been working on and collecting these bikes for over 30 years. I can't afford the pristine, original examples that others seem to find, so I'm always piecing worthy candidates back together after they've "lost" their parts and pedigree. The Paramount track I showed suffered someone's lame attempt to turn it into a 10-speed, poorly drilling the fork and bridge, cobbling on some brakes and crudely welding a derailler hanger to the dropout.
Geez, what's wrong with a stock Paramount? Sweet, desirable bike.
Millions of other less desirable bikes would make a perfect single speed.
But its your bike...
Geez, what's wrong with a stock Paramount? Sweet, desirable bike.
Millions of other less desirable bikes would make a perfect single speed.
But its your bike...
03-01-09, 01:55 PM
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I am guessing you mean Nervex lugs?
Edit: Sorry I was reading page 2 and forgot about page 3
Edit: Sorry I was reading page 2 and forgot about page 3
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Well, sorry: sounds like you're making it less than it was. I've been working on and collecting these bikes for over 30 years. I can't afford the pristine, original examples that others seem to find, so I'm always piecing worthy candidates back together after they've "lost" their parts and pedigree. The Paramount track I showed suffered someone's lame attempt to turn it into a 10-speed, poorly drilling the fork and bridge, cobbling on some brakes and crudely welding a derailler hanger to the dropout.
Geez, what's wrong with a stock Paramount? Sweet, desirable bike.
Millions of other less desirable bikes would make a perfect single speed.
But its your bike...
Geez, what's wrong with a stock Paramount? Sweet, desirable bike.
Millions of other less desirable bikes would make a perfect single speed.
But its your bike...
I'm not sure where it got lost that I AM NOT ALTERING THE FRAME WHATSOEVER. I AM USING ALL FUNCTIONING ORIGINAL PARTS (which I had planned on before posting), ESP. NOW THAT I HAVE BEEN ADVISED (AND ACCEPTED SAID ADVICE) TO GO W/SS NOT FIXED. I WILL POST PICS TOMORROW (the soonest I am able) TO TAKE ADVICE ON PAINTING, which is the only alteration to the frame I'm planning on doing-- and I have already been convinced to paint, not powdercoat, as my earlier posts show. I am KEEPING the derailleurs, cable guides, and shifters, after cleaning and greasing bearings where needed, in case I decide to eventually put out for a full restore. I wouldn't effing dream of shaving off braze-ons. Sorry: there's a difference between snarky and holding forth without having read the entire thread. There are plenty of people on this thread/board who seem to understand what my thought process is, even if it isn't exactly what they would do with the bike-- and I may end up going more 'their' route anyway, once I have the money, which is why I am KEEPING the other components. Unless you have anything else to contribute that's constructive, find some other newbie to flame.
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You know I would probably have said that myself at one time but the more I hear it the more I think I'm in agreement with those folks who say you don't own the bike you are only it's caretaker. Afterall, like it or not, you're going to pass on someday and somebody is going to hopefully be able to carry on taking care of and enjoying that wonderful bike. The alternative is that in a few years they will all be gone.
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Sorry, wasn't flaming, just offering my opinion. Do whatever you want, I'll shut up!
"(rather building it to a era-correct fixed gear/singlespeed)"
BTW, a era-correct single speed would be a trackbike with a front brake!
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Hmmm im done making assumptions based on my bike....haha..based on my serial number I have a 73 the crank arms are stamped Nervar but I suppose that doesnt necessarily mean that they are stock. What are some things I can look for to identify the model assuming that only the frame is stock? Dont mean to Hi-jack the thread.
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Hmmm im done making assumptions based on my bike....haha..based on my serial number I have a 73 the crank arms are stamped Nervar but I suppose that doesnt necessarily mean that they are stock. What are some things I can look for to identify the model assuming that only the frame is stock? Dont mean to Hi-jack the thread.
In 1973, there were four Paramount models (excluding the ladies models and tandems).
P14-0 Track Paramount
P13-9 Professional Road Racing Paramount 10-speed (five cog freewheel and double plateau crank)
P10-9 Deluxe Touring Paramount 10-speed (five cog freewheel and double plateau crank)
P15-9 Deluxe Touring Paramount 15-speed (five cog freewheel and triple plateau crank)
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[edit] oh, and i forgot about making sure that all the chrome gets covered up with the lime green paint. or better yet, black masking tape. and then i'd put a banana seat on it. and a can holder for my pbr.
I'm keeping the front brake. not running fixie, because the advice to the contrary makes sense.
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Sixty Fiver: It's a Grand Prix, not a Gran Sport, my stupid mistake. And I don't really think of it as a wonderful bike, compared to the Paramount. Raleigh mass produced these bikes in the late 70's and early 80's. Yes, it is a lugged steel frame, and I love riding it, but I wouldn't complain if I sold it to someone and the turned it into a SS or fixie.
That Paramount really deserves to remain a geared bike, IMO. I agree with the sentiment that you don't really own the bike, you're it's caretaker, when it is a gem like an early 70's Paramount.
That Paramount really deserves to remain a geared bike, IMO. I agree with the sentiment that you don't really own the bike, you're it's caretaker, when it is a gem like an early 70's Paramount.
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+1 not a paramount, maybe a filet brazed super sport, or a electro forged continental
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All Paramounts have lugs, since 1937 or so.... except maybe the tandems.
But I don't know what Schwinn that is, not my area of interest.
03-01-09, 03:10 PM
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Sixty Fiver: It's a Grand Prix, not a Gran Sport, my stupid mistake. And I don't really think of it as a wonderful bike, compared to the Paramount. Raleigh mass produced these bikes in the late 70's and early 80's. Yes, it is a lugged steel frame, and I love riding it, but I wouldn't complain if I sold it to someone and the turned it into a SS or fixie.
That Paramount really deserves to remain a geared bike, IMO. I agree with the sentiment that you don't really own the bike, you're it's caretaker, when it is a gem like an early 70's Paramount.
That Paramount really deserves to remain a geared bike, IMO. I agree with the sentiment that you don't really own the bike, you're it's caretaker, when it is a gem like an early 70's Paramount.
My Gran Sport spent some time as a fixed gear until I sourced out all the parts to bring it back to it's geared glory... it was / is a blast to ride in either form.
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What can be said about the color (metallic green) ive tried to determine whether this has been repainted but it looks pretty good(no overspray). Do we know of a particular model this color was offered by schwinn?
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Based on the bullet-shaped seat stays and the forged drop outs (w/ d hanger) it's most likely a Super Sport, or later Sports Tourer--not a Paramount, but a very nice bike nonetheless.