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    Early 70s Schwinn Paramount

    Hello all--
    I lucked into a 72-ish, from what I can tell (not sure, can't find serial number) Paramount that, well, needs some work in the paint area. I'm planning on getting it powdercoated by a local guy (I live in Chapel Hill, NC), but want to make sure to save those beautiful chrome lugs! Any suggestions for masking, since he's probably going to want to sandblast it for prep? Also, is this even the right way to go? I am NOT planning on a fully correct vintage restoration (rather building it to a era-correct fixed gear/singlespeed), but want to maintain the sexy integrity of the frame. Please help!

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    I can't wait for the comments on this one!

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    #1: Have you seen his work before?

    #2: ACE Hardware stripper in a spray can. Spray it on, wipe the paint off.

    #3: Got any photos of the existing state of the paint?

    #4: Are you going to remove any braze-ons? (Answering yes will automatically send a C&V lynch mob to your door)

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    Most people here would advise you not to repaint unless absolutely necessary. It's only original once. In most instances, I'd much rather have a chipped original paint job than a generic powdercoat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlankCrows View Post
    I can't wait for the comments on this one!

    Yeah, well he's gonna get them.


    First of all you dont need no cool Paramount to condemn to death by turning it into a fixed gear. You need an aluminum framed 'Giant' or something like that. I cant get this whole "fixey" sh't either. Its like some punk kid wearing "droopy drawers" because in his pea brain he thinks its cool.

    You wanna do that bike justice, you'll either leave it alone and back the hell away from it, or give it the love it needs by leaving everything on it.




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    Serial number on the left rear drop out and pictures would help give you good answers to your questions. Serial number will be something like letter A to M with to numbers next for the year ans then two to three numbers for the frame number. An example would be B73122 which would be the 122 frame built in February 1973. Roger

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    I have a Raleigh Gran Sport I'll send you for free, and I'll pay you to ship that Paramount to me. Use the Raleigh for your fixie project. Please don't F up a wonderful bike like that.

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    First things first. I'm a total neophyte in this world. Please be kind-- the reason I came to this board was because a lot of you guys seem to know what you're talking about. This is my first vintage bike, but I'm excited to make it look really great, because it already rides beautifully. (Those campy bearings are really amazing)
    That said-- I simply don't have the money to do a full restore (just finished a new house, and baby on the way), and that's not why I bought the bike anyway. This thing is NOT mint. I'm going to upload pics as soon as my wife is done with the camera.
    Re: the frame-painter: I have seen his work-- he's done 3 of my buddy's bikes, and they all look great. None of the frames have these chromed lugs, though which may be a problem. If it is, I'm not going to use it. He may not even sandblast-- I don't know, I haven't talked to him yet. He's just the guy that my friends with more experience than I have recommended.
    Re: the original paint: It's in pretty bad shape-- the owner was the original owner, and didn't take the best care of the frame-- odd, because the components are in GREAT shape. And no, i'm not getting rid of any braze-ons. I'm not a monster. The reason I'm repainting is because I think that it's going to accentuate how beautiful the bike is to have a fresh coat of paint. The reason I'm here asking about it is because if I'm about to do something REALLY stupid or bad for the bike, I hope someone will tell me and offer me some alternate guidance, not to get flamed for asking what is perceived to be a stupid question.

    Lastly, re: the "droopy drawers" comment-- I'm 32 years old. I love bikes. I don't own a fixed gear or singlespeed, and would like one to augment my riding. I'm not some 20something pixies listening hipster with no appreciation for the history in the bike, nor am i trying to make a Frankenstein. FWIW, I'm using the original campy cranks and pedals, the original campy front hub, original campy headset and cinelli stem/bars, and I'm keeping the other drivetrain components in case I want to rebuild as a geared bike if I don't like riding fixed.
    So that said, any other *constructive* comments? I'm really asking for help here.

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    Also, how is it effing up the wonderful bike if I'm applying a fresh coat of paint to a bike that has rust patches and flaked paint everywhere? Again, it's not like i'm putting ksyrium equipes on it and painting it lime green. I promise, I'm not a total jackass-just a neophyte, as I said.

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    I think if you really, really need to "repaint" it, do not sandblast it and do not powdercoat it. Get it painted with real paint. That makes it easier for the next guy to fix what you intend to have done.

    Also, we need pics of your bike. What if it isn't a really a Paramount? That will change this whole discussion.
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    See, now that's a constructive piece of advice. Although I'm not planning on getting rid of the bike, so not sure about the 'next guy'. And I will post pics if it proves necessary to get some help. As I said, don't have the camera right now, and actually, the bike is in the shop for the weekend to make sure that there aren't any hairline cracks in the frame. I will post pics tomorrow, I promise.
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    i can confirm that it is in fact a paramount. i promise.

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    Thanks for the clarification. We're not all bad, but we just appreciate leaving things, when possible, in either their original state, or returnable to it only by swapping components.

    And pics will help. Your paint may not really be a lost cause. But if it is, you'll have backup to keep the flames away.

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    re: serial number: thanks for that advice, btw. I was looking in the wrong place(s).

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    What you have leaped into is the world of preservation, conservation, and restoration where people have very strong feelings about how to care for historical objects. Some say we are not owners, but caretakers. That we have a responsibility to save these pieces for our future. A 70's Paramount falls into the category of a noteworthy historical object. Those who lean towards conservation and preservation want to see the life and history of the bike because the wear and tear tells a story. Repainting erases that period of the bike's life.

    Here is a poor comparison of what is happening here. Your screen name is winegeek. Try to think of it as appreciating different vintages and regions of wines. Some aficionados can tell you what the climate and soil conditions were like for a given bottle. You wouldn't want to ruin that by improperly caring for that wine, or by making blend of some sort.
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    Cudak888 has a 60's paramount with some beat up paint, look his bike up, it is still beautiful. I think fresh paint is bad for the value even if the original is rough. You can send all the old Campy stuff my way since you are not going to be needing it

    BTW, I am a 25 year old pixies listening, non-hipster and I appreciate the history of my bikes plenty.

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    I too, would vote for paint over powdercoat on any frame of significance. But I also have my own equipment, albeit almost C&V, too, circa 1981. Having a frame painted is more expensive than pc, and that becomes an issue.
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    I'd think an early 70s Paramount with good chrome is deserving of a better fate than powder coat and fixie hell...

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    Why not sell the Paramount and use the money (1000+?) to buy a really nice new or vintage fixed gear/track frame in your ideal size with the parts you want? That's what I would do...

    I think given the quality of the frame and the chrome lugs a normal paint job would be preferable as it will be much easier to change/restore at a later date. A Schwinn paramount is a highly collectible bike, you'll want to preserve its value, and powder will lower the value of the frame drastically because its so much harder to strip.

    Quote Originally Posted by winegeek819 View Post
    First things first. I'm a total neophyte in this world. Please be kind-- the reason I came to this board was because a lot of you guys seem to know what you're talking about. This is my first vintage bike, but I'm excited to make it look really great, because it already rides beautifully. (Those campy bearings are really amazing)
    That said-- I simply don't have the money to do a full restore (just finished a new house, and baby on the way), and that's not why I bought the bike anyway. This thing is NOT mint. I'm going to upload pics as soon as my wife is done with the camera.
    Re: the frame-painter: I have seen his work-- he's done 3 of my buddy's bikes, and they all look great. None of the frames have these chromed lugs, though which may be a problem. If it is, I'm not going to use it. He may not even sandblast-- I don't know, I haven't talked to him yet. He's just the guy that my friends with more experience than I have recommended.
    Re: the original paint: It's in pretty bad shape-- the owner was the original owner, and didn't take the best care of the frame-- odd, because the components are in GREAT shape. And no, i'm not getting rid of any braze-ons. I'm not a monster. The reason I'm repainting is because I think that it's going to accentuate how beautiful the bike is to have a fresh coat of paint. The reason I'm here asking about it is because if I'm about to do something REALLY stupid or bad for the bike, I hope someone will tell me and offer me some alternate guidance, not to get flamed for asking what is perceived to be a stupid question.

    Lastly, re: the "droopy drawers" comment-- I'm 32 years old. I love bikes. I don't own a fixed gear or singlespeed, and would like one to augment my riding. I'm not some 20something pixies listening hipster with no appreciation for the history in the bike, nor am i trying to make a Frankenstein. FWIW, I'm using the original campy cranks and pedals, the original campy front hub, original campy headset and cinelli stem/bars, and I'm keeping the other drivetrain components in case I want to rebuild as a geared bike if I don't like riding fixed.
    So that said, any other *constructive* comments? I'm really asking for help here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjvw View Post
    What you have leaped into is the world of preservation, conservation, and restoration where people have very strong feelings about how to care for historical objects. A 70's Paramount falls into the category of a noteworthy historical object. Those who lean towards conservation and preservation want to see the life and history of the bike because the wear and tear tells a story.

    Here is a poor comparison of what is happening here. Your screen name is winegeek. Try to think of it as appreciating different vintages and regions of wines. Some aficionados can tell you what the climate and soil conditions were like for a given bottle. You wouldn't want to ruin that by improperly caring for that wine, or by making blend of some sort.
    jifw-- I'm starting to understand that, believe me. I promise I didn't set out to offend. And I have flamed plenty of people who I perceive to be morons on wine boards, so I guess the moral is 'karma's a *****.'

    I guess my point is that I have no intention of ruining the bike. I actually want to maintain the integrity of the bike, believe it or not. I'm happy to spend the money on 'real paint', and even do it myself, if that's a project that you guys think is do-able by someone who hasn't done it before.


    Without pictures, I know it's tough to tell, but for the sake of getting advice--I paid $150 for this bike-- came without saddle/seatpost. I'm not sure this is the original paint job--it's white. The decals are gone in places, though they're there in others. The chrome ALL needs to be polished, although it doesn't appear to be terribly pitted--and as I originally stated-- I really want to make the chrome pop and DON'T want to damage it when I paint, which is why I came here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by winegeek819 View Post
    First things first. I'm a total neophyte in this world. Please be kind-- the reason I came to this board was because a lot of you guys seem to know what you're talking about. This is my first vintage bike, but I'm excited to make it look really great, .


    Well I know what the hell I'm talking about, but I do apologize for being too harsh. I've been riding road bikes my whole life and I'm 53 years old. Old bikes (of any kind) are somewhat of a passion for me, so forgive me for getting rather "bristled". Old Paramounts are highly coveted around here, and apparently you have a gem. I just wouldnt want to see it come to a bad end. But you do seem to have a good idea on bringing that cool old bike back to its former glory, so I commend you on that (only without the 'fixey' part, but thats just me).
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkeller234 View Post
    Cudak888 has a 60's paramount with some beat up paint, look his bike up, it is still beautiful. I think fresh paint is bad for the value even if the original is rough. You can send all the old Campy stuff my way since you are not going to be needing it

    BTW, I am a 25 year old pixies listening, non-hipster and I appreciate the history of my bikes plenty.

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    I will look his bike up. And Matt- I listen to the pixies too. I was just pointing the 'generalization' *** in the other direction, since it seems that the immediate impression of me was about as far from reality as it gets. Don't worry-- the campy's not going ANYwhere. if anything i'll put it on one of my other (nonvintage) rides.

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    Fixie v. singlespeed on this bike:
    You stated that you plan on reusing as many original components as possible. If you go fixed:
    1. You'll have to buy a new rear wheel. It will come with a 42mm chainline. Your front and rear wheels will not match.
    2. You'll need to change out the bottom bracket or find an ISO spindle to achieve a 42mm chainline with your Campy NR crank. Or you buy a complete new BB and crankset
    or GO Singlespeed
    1. Keep your rear wheel and redish/ respace as necessary to match the chainline with either the inner or outer chainring landing, your choice. Your wheelset will match.
    2. No new BB or spindle.

    Results with the singlespeed
    a. You really will end up with a "period-correct" bike.
    b. You saved some money that you can put into paint "restoration" or new paint, if needed.
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    on the decal front-- any idea where i could get a set of appropriate decals? (of course you will...) they look really neat, and i'd like to be able to restore *that* part...
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    ok... that all makes sense. sounds like singlespeed is the way to go, because the BB is in good shape and the crank is absolutely gorgeous. thanks bob-- that part's out of the way. could i run the original NR rear hub singlespeed?

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