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Old 05-11-04, 11:34 PM   #1
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Newbie- Hello, need some help...

Hello everyone.

Pleasure to see how devoted everyone is about Classic bikes.

My Father is a original owner of a 1971 Peugeot.
What I am wondering (so is he) what model this bike is...
I have looked all over the web without any luck figuring it out.
He bought this model because the salesman told him the PX-10 is too much of a bike.
And it had a bad ride comfort for what my Father will be doing with it...

This bike I can't forget to mention is 95% original. The derailleur is a Shimano replacing the original Simplex in late 1998... He wanted to know if the Simplex derailleur is anygood that was used on the PX-10 models Prestige model???

We are planning on restoring this bike all the way down to getting the stickers re printed at a print shop by our house... IS this bike worth spending that much time with???

Thank you all for your time, and great love towards Vintage bicycles!!

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Old 05-11-04, 11:44 PM   #2
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Whoopsie,

Forgot to mention he bought it new in 1971... We are wondering when this model came out and which it is???

Here is a full picture of the bike! Sorry!!

THANKS SO MUCH!

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It looks like a basic U-08 to me. Mostly original except for the rear der. and maybe the seat, I'd say. Is that an original factory pump w/ the short flex hose stored in the handle? I had an almost identical '69 model. I think the chainguard was probably added between '69 and '71. Do you know how much he paid for the bike in '71? Are there any other labels describing the frame tubing?
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It looks like a basic U-08 to me. Mostly original except for the rear der. and maybe the seat, I'd say. Is that an original factory pump w/ the short flex hose stored in the handle? I had an almost identical '69 model. I think the chainguard was probably added between '69 and '71. Do you know how much he paid for the bike in '71? Are there any other labels describing the frame tubing?
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Well that is neat to know it might be a U-08 model. We thought it was most likely that model but not to sure. He paid, " I paid $125+/- for the bike w/orig rear rack." He also got a deal when he purchased the Union 8-pole generator light setup. Which we still have! Just have not installed it yet due to polishing and re-chroming.

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Is that an original factory pump w/ the short flex hose stored in the handle?
Yes that is, we cleaned it up some and got a new hose made from similar looking material.

----->> HE rides this thing all the time, pretty amazing when I never seen him ever grease it! <-----

I really want to bring his bike back to original condition.
Just have yet to find someone who sells these decals as a set!!

There are plenty of labels on the frame tubing and the seat is new as of 1999. He had to have some comfort...
Below are some photos of the rest of his bike... Let me know your feelings, thank you so much!!

PS: Do you know of anyone who sells the original style bike rack these came with??
What is the street value of this style bike (just for kicks) if in a clean state??

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As Randya said, A UO-8. Street value of a UO is between ten and thirty dollars.

Old Peugeot decals from this time period are not easily available. I know, I've looked.

If it's an ad-hoc pump, with the decals in good condition, the pump is worth far more than the bike, believe it or not.

I don't believe these came standard with a rack; however, one of our regular posters worked in a bike shop around the time this bike came out and should know much more.

A good ride, that will make a fine beater bike. Just make sure to change out the original steel rims.
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The price sounds about right for a U-08. Many of these bikes were sold in the late 60s and early 70s, I still see a lot of them around. People generally refurbish them or convert them to fixies. Going price? My guesstimates are: cheap at a garage sale (l.t. $25); probably in the $50 to $150 range at a second hand shop in as-is original condition; maybe up to $300 refurbished, depending on components used and amount of work done.

The original rack was probably a Pletscher. They may still make them, I've seen their name on kickstands recently. Not hard to find used, either. Right now eBay's got a used one at $4.99 and an NOS one at ~$25.00. Although better racks can be had these days...

Unless you really want to keep the bike all original, I'd replace those rims w/ a good set of alloy rims (or build a set of new wheels and just keep the old ones in storage) and also replace the front der.

Nice bike. Brings back old memories!

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Agree with other postings. Price is about right for the U-08; possibly AO-8 (a bit more 'economy version' with handlebar tape ending at the brake levers!).
Pletscher was a Swiss company that made alloy racks; most had a hinged/spring top so it would hold a small parcel/package
Would not spend too much $$ refurbishing it.
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As Randya said, A UO-8. Street value of a UO is between ten and thirty dollars.

A good ride, that will make a fine beater bike. Just make sure to change out the original steel rims.
Why would I want to change the steel rims?

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"Why would I want to change the steel rims? "

Braking, for the most part. Steel rims are horrible for braking, esp. in the wet (to call what happens when braking with wet steel rims "braking" is perhaps a bit generous). You can easily find a good set of 27" alloy wheels at a thrift shop. You'll likely have to space the wheels down to 96mm to fit in your front fork (most forks are spaced at 100mm, but many older low-end Peugeots were spaced for some uniquely French reason at 96). This usually entails removing a couple of washers from the hub (check the front wheel before you buy). You can keep the old rims if you want to display the bike stock, but you're better off not riding on them.

Geez, 300$ for a UO8 in Portland? I oughta start buying bikes down here and shipping them up there... I pick like bikes up at the Goodwill auctions here for five or ten bucks all the time. Usually they've got some odd component I want, like a Brooks saddle or Simplex retrofriction shifters, I pass on enough similar bikes...
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Geez, 300$ for a UO8 in Portland?
Reread my post. I said maybe up to $300 refurbished, depending on components used and amount of work done. For $300 I would expect a bike that was fully reconditioned or modernized as either a road bike or fixie, with new alloy rims and hubs, new ders / shifters, new seat, etc. - basically a new bike built up around the Peugeot frame...
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Looks much like old Russian bike called "wanderer". Used to cost 1 week salary in 1970s.
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Thanks for the advise. I think I will get rid of the steel rims. Well, not get rid of but just use them for display. I don't have to worry about riding in the rain. I have owned that bike since new and never rode the bike in the rain. Nice thing about So. Cal. Still I think it sounds like a pretty good thing to do. Why are the 96 mm as opposed to the regular 100 by everyone else. Remember these are the people that build the Citreon (probably not spelled right) automobile.


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"Why would I want to change the steel rims? "

Braking, for the most part. Steel rims are horrible for braking, esp. in the wet (to call what happens when braking with wet steel rims "braking" is perhaps a bit generous). You can easily find a good set of 27" alloy wheels at a thrift shop. You'll likely have to space the wheels down to 96mm to fit in your front fork (most forks are spaced at 100mm, but many older low-end Peugeots were spaced for some uniquely French reason at 96). This usually entails removing a couple of washers from the hub (check the front wheel before you buy). You can keep the old rims if you want to display the bike stock, but you're better off not riding on them.

Geez, 300$ for a UO8 in Portland? I oughta start buying bikes down here and shipping them up there... I pick like bikes up at the Goodwill auctions here for five or ten bucks all the time. Usually they've got some odd component I want, like a Brooks saddle or Simplex retrofriction shifters, I pass on enough similar bikes...
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"Why are the 96 mm as opposed to the regular 100 by everyone else."

I have no idea. Some gallic inscrutibility, I suppose. I just deal with them as they come to me; in general, I've found it's not the hardest fix on an older French roadie. You might measure the distance between the fork dropouts when you get a chance, but every UO I've seen is at 96 up front.

One thing I forgot to address is the subject of the rear derailleur; Simplex derailleurs from this period were partially made of a plastic called Derlin. It's notorious for breakage, though I've never seen a rear go, just the front. It's very common to see older Peugeots with the rear mech changed out to a Suntour or something like. I have a pair of Px's I've kept the original Simplex derailleurs on ('67 and '72), though, and they've been fine (knock on wood). If you really want to show, a proper Simplex rear derailleur is not hard to find and can be relatively cheap.

It sounds to me like you're having fun with the bike, and that's what's ultimately important. Fix it up and ride it, I say. Older bikes are a realtively cheap hobby and very enjoyable.

Have fun!
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