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Old 03-14-09, 01:34 PM   #1
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A old hercules bike

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Just wondered if anyone might know anything about this old hercules bike.
Its badge says hercules birmingham england it is a ladies single speed and is old but I dont know how old it was my mothers and i know it is at least 40 years old but i think it could be a lot older.
It has the following stamped on the frame 12918yn and in very faint small letters JD cross and sons made in england is stamped on the hub? sorry dont know much about bikes!
I has had some work done over the years and a new saddle was fitted but I think it is mainly original although I think it has also had new wheels at some time in the past.
Would really like to know a bit more about it if anyone can help. thanks
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Probably get more of a response with photos. Otherwise....

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Old 03-16-09, 02:25 PM   #5
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old hercules bike

Thanks for replys so far please see attached photos. I hope someone can tell me some thing about this bike. I would really like to know how old it is etc. thanks
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Thanks for replys so far please see attached photos. I hope someone can tell me some thing about this bike. I would really like to know how old it is etc. thanks
Looks post TII take over (1954 or later)? Anybody ID the head badge year? The one I have is the one Pastorbobnlnh posted a picture of. Closest we can date is post WW2 to pre 1954...so far.

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That one might be pre-Raleigh, the fender eyelet looks like it is on top of the drop out. Looks like maybe it got repainted at some point, I would expect a white patch on the fender and maybe some pin-stripes. I know the Hercules hubs are re-branded, but there may be a date code stamped into the rear hub shell.

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hercules bike

A few more photos. The only numbers i can see are 12918yn on the frame and the words jd cross and sons made in england deluxe bs is stamped on the hub. the head badge says hercules birmingham england.
I know it has had some work done over the years but nothing in the last 20 years or so. I think it may have been repainted a long time ago as the black paint is coming off in places and you can see green paint underneath. the saddle has been replaced and possibly the wheels too, but i think most of it is original apart from that.
I would like to know how old it is and if it may be worth anything (In England)
I dont know much about bikes and it is just rusting away in a shed so if its worth it would like it to go to someone who would be able to restore it and use it. Sorry the photos are not great. Thanks for your help
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Worth can mean a few things. Dollar wise it is not worth a whole lot, women's frames are always less valuable too, the rod brakes may add some value though, your bike is also missing the chain guard. You may be able to carefully remove the top layer of paint to expose the original with some acetone. I would say this bike is still worth fixing up because it is both cool and rugged.

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My early '50s Hercules was black and had the "Hercumatic" trigger shifter and rear hub. They were obviously made by SA. The rear hub did NOT have a date stamp. This bike was bought for me brand new when I was a kid. Are you sure the trigger and hub were not changed?
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Thanks for replys so far. The bike was my mothers and was given to her 40 years ago and it was not new then. I know it had some work done ie new saddle wheels and tyres, but thats all I can remember. It has not been painted while mum owned it but must have been before that. mum is no longer with us so cant ask her about it. I do remember it used to have a wicker basket on the front but thats been lost.I also think it used to have a leather pouch type bag strapped to the back of the saddle but thats also gone. Sorry I dont know much about bikes or all the names of parts etc exept for the obvious ones frame handlebars etc. its been in a shed for about twenty years so i know nothing has been done to it in that time. I thought from reading some posts on here that there might be a way of telling how old it is from the frame numbers??
Would be gratefull for any info on it thanks
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anyone got anymore thoughts or info on this please
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Any one got any more info on this bike please
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Considering the badge is not brass, and it's in Birmingham, and not Nottingham, I'm guessing this bike is post WW2, up until 1962ish. I've heard mention that brass badges on Hercules were used prior to WW2 (although there have been stories that they have been used later, there's no mention of non-brass head badges used earlier that I know of). Raliegh moved production of Hercules from Birgmingham to Nottingham, and there are reports that the name change on the bikes occured 1962ish. As far as I know, there's no way to tell the age of a Hercules from it's serial number. As far as what it's worth, I've seen many bikes similar to this sell for $75 - $100 US.
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Looks like a lady's roadster. I bet those are 28 1/2 wheels.
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Thanks not sure of the size, have not yet measured it but you are probably right
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another puzzeling hercules

I have a Hercules with a 5 speed drive train/Huret Allvit derailleur. Cannot find a serial or frame number anywhere! No name brakes (sidepull) with Bulljohn brake pads on the front. The rims say sturmy archer on them.....anyway I can date this bike? Pics to follow...
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meant HOW can I date this bike......
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meant HOW can I date this bike......
You cannot date this bikes, but you can haz cheezburger.

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Did you carefully clean (e.g. with some detergent or wd40 and a toothbrush) the rear hub shell to look for a date? In any case, what markings can you make out on the shell?

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FINALLY found a serial #....very faint on the seat post lug. '2194536' Both hubs just have the heron symbol on them. Also stamped on the bar stem; but very small. The badge says nottingham/ so @ least post 1960. Tires look to be original Bates Dunlop/and still rideable! Did Huret use date codes like suntour used to? I'm wondering weather to up grade it or leave it alone.
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