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    Super 1980s Rear Derailleur Website

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    you're right. excellent site! the guy is a brilliant writer too.


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    That is a very cool website. Thanks for sharing!
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    One of my favs....Super nice guy too!
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    Very nice. I did not know that Frank Berto, the author of the "Sunset for Suntour" article, actually played such pivotal role in the demise of Suntour, according to this.

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    I've used it to date a bike I own. Based on the Shimano Lark (black) derailleur I determined the year of the bike to be 1969-70.
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    I think the author overplayed Frank Berto's importance. A multi million $ business doesn't depend on one critic in one magazine from a single market. Shimano is the single most pivotal cause of Suntour's demise. Shimano did to Suntour what Suntour did to most of the European bicycling industry.
    SIS and freehubs for mtb and road were so far ahead of the curve, nobody could catch up.
    Back then, almost all sub $1,000 road bikes used Shimano 105 (1050-55) to the point of nausea. That one group launch did more to solidify their dominance by huge profits. Love or hate it, but it's been a one-horse race ever since.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IceNine View Post
    Very nice. I did not know that Frank Berto, the author of the "Sunset for Suntour" article, actually played such pivotal role in the demise of Suntour, according to this.
    Interesting, but speculative.

    FWIW, I still use the first Duopar I bought back in 1978 on my daily commuter bike, where it still works flawlessly despite having been subjected to 30 years of weather, grime and wear & tear.

    Go figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WNG View Post
    I think the author overplayed Frank Berto's importance. A multi million $ business doesn't depend on one critic in one magazine from a single market. Shimano is the single most pivotal cause of Suntour's demise. Shimano did to Suntour what Suntour did to most of the European bicycling industry.
    SIS and freehubs for mtb and road were so far ahead of the curve, nobody could catch up.
    Back then, almost all sub $1,000 road bikes used Shimano 105 (1050-55) to the point of nausea. That one group launch did more to solidify their dominance by huge profits. Love or hate it, but it's been a one-horse race ever since.
    The reason for that is Shimano wouldn't sell their SIS systems to OEMs except as a package, so companies that once would e.g. spec one brand derailleur, another brand's brakes, and another's hubs, and so on had to buy all Shimano if they wanted SIS.

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