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kc0yef 02-21-13 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Ancient Mariner (Post 15301618)
In truth, I find far more humor in the fuzzy, dark, out-of-focus, poorly framed photos that people use on CL to show the amazing treasure they're selling.

+1
fuzzy pictures mean better price

zukahn1 02-21-13 11:38 PM

I love fuzzy pics and bad add copy this is where you find the real bargains as a knowledgable buyer looikg for bargains the worse the better.

Yo Spiff 02-22-13 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by zukahn1 (Post 15302783)
I love fuzzy pics and bad add copy this is where you find the real bargains as a knowledgable buyer looikg for bargains the worse the better.

Some truth to this, I've gottena couple of good finds on CL and Ebay because a lousy photo made something look undesirable. As I am also into photography, I recognized that it was probably the poor quality pic and not the item.

Amesja 02-22-13 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Yo Spiff (Post 15303475)
Some truth to this, I've gottena couple of good finds on CL and Ebay because a lousy photo made something look undesirable. As I am also into photography, I recognized that it was probably the poor quality pic and not the item.

Bad pictures and descriptions mean lower prices and fewer other interested buyers. If you know your stuff and can recognize valuable items from a bad picture you have the edge on other bargain hunters who will never know what they missed.

Ask me about the $30 Raleigh Competition frameset and full Huret Jubilee drivetrain with TA crank & BB I picked up from a fuzzy picture and a listing that simply said, "Old Raleigh Frame."

I just LOVE fuzzy pictures and people who have no clue what they have or how to communicate it.

Ancient Mariner 02-22-13 12:28 PM

What goes around comes around. I agree that bad photos will occasionally hide real bargains, but as a seller, I'm not really interested in attracting the bottom feeders and bargain hunters. As a buyer, I want to be able to make a reasonable guess as to what it is and its condition before spending several dollars for gas to drive somewhere to see it.

I spend a little time on the photographs, making sure they accurately depict the item, and then give it a good description. The extra half hour is worthwhile.

I bought an old Hardrock MTB that had been sitting outside for the last 15 years. Fortunately, here in the desert, that's not terminal; there was very little rust. It was just a small cell phone shot, and the description was pretty depressing but honest, and that probably scared people away. I bought it for $10.00. I put a pair of used tires on it, a used seat, replaced cables, got everything working, cleaned and polished everything, and sold it for $175.00 to the first person that responded. Total out-of-pocket was less than $30.00.

There are a couple lessons here, but if I had used the same quality photo the original owner used, I'm sure it wouldn't have sold at all. The thought of a 20-year old entry level mountain bike selling for that much is contrary to the opinions of value most of us 'regulars' hold for a bike like that. (I was prepared to go as low as $100.00.)

BTW, I use Photoshop, but only to improve the overall quality of the photo. I don't edit out any defects, but do try to make the photo 'pop' a little.

anixi 02-22-13 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ancient Mariner (Post 15304669)
What goes around comes around. I agree that bad photos will occasionally hide real bargains, but as a seller, I'm not really interested in attracting the bottom feeders and bargain hunters. As a buyer, I want to be able to make a reasonable guess as to what it is and its condition before spending several dollars for gas to drive somewhere to see it.

I spend a little time on the photographs, making sure they accurately depict the item, and then give it a good description. The extra half hour is worthwhile.

I bought an old Hardrock MTB that had been sitting outside for the last 15 years. Fortunately, here in the desert, that's not terminal; there was very little rust. It was just a small cell phone shot, and the description was pretty depressing but honest, and that probably scared people away. I bought it for $10.00. I put a pair of used tires on it, a used seat, replaced cables, got everything working, cleaned and polished everything, and sold it for $175.00 to the first person that responded. Total out-of-pocket was less than $30.00.

There are a couple lessons here, but if I had used the same quality photo the original owner used, I'm sure it wouldn't have sold at all. The thought of a 20-year old entry level mountain bike selling for that much is contrary to the opinions of value most of us 'regulars' hold for a bike like that. (I was prepared to go as low as $100.00.)

BTW, I use Photoshop, but only to improve the overall quality of the photo. I don't edit out any defects, but do try to make the photo 'pop' a little.

I use Picasa to make my pictures pop. It helps to get top dollar, since most of the flippers I get are low-end. If you can't get the buyer's attention, you're lost.

Amesja 02-22-13 12:40 PM

For selling the opposite is definitely true.

The better the photos and the more accurate and descriptive the text the more likely you are to attract more interested buyers. I've never used photoshop to "pop" photos as I seem to be a pretty good bike photographer. For some reason I can't photograph people to save my life but perhaps because I really am interested in bikes I can "see" them in a way that helps me photograph them well.

One thing I do hate is people who use "keywords" on CL to try and drag in extra views. I really HATE that because it makes searching for specific things a chore. If someone has a keyword on an ad that isn't what they are selling I flag it every time. Flag flag flag, miscategorized.

There are a few local big-time sellers in Chicago that have a standard list of keywords they use on EVERY listing of about 500 common search terms. I hate those guys with a passion!

Ancient Mariner 02-22-13 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by anixi (Post 15304703)
I use Picasa to make my pictures pop. It helps to get top dollar, since most of the flippers I get are low-end. If you can't get the buyer's attention, you're lost.

Amen.

Yo Spiff 02-22-13 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Amesja (Post 15304728)
There are a few local big-time sellers in Chicago that have a standard list of keywords they use on EVERY listing of about 500 common search terms. I hate those guys with a passion!

I thought it was standard practice to include the word "fixie" in all bike ads.

norwood 02-22-13 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by IthaDan (Post 15299702)
^^ where did he say he lets students get away with that?



Jesus people, this is what he means. Right here, he's already said it. Nothing else, he sees a value in phonetic spelling as a way to bridge language barriers. Does he teach it, no? I tend to agree, as a linguistic exercise it's fascinating.

I'm sure if some stuffy old white guy tried to write a novel without the letter "E" (oh wait) we'd all fawn about his creative use of the language to expand descriptive possibilities or some other navel gazing bilge. But if a seller shows up on craigslist creatively adapting the language to his will, we assume the seller must just be that stupid and it's a failure of the schools and surely a sign of the sky beginning to fall.

The "get off my lawn" side of this place is pretty tiresome sometimes.

This goes a little beyond "phonetic spelling", (of which I'm occasionally guilty). It's just plain laziness that's becoming more acceptable in our society every day. It has no value except to the author for the speed of completing their communication. And yes, schools are partly to blame, but it's a huge task these days.

anixi 02-22-13 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by norwood (Post 15306503)
This goes a little beyond "phonetic spelling", (of which I'm occasionally guilty). It's just plain laziness that's becoming more acceptable in our society every day. It has no value except to the author for the speed of completing their communication. And yes, schools are partly to blame, but it's a huge task these days.

The saddest part of this is that this lazy speech comes from low class white people in England. It's not reflective of the rich heritage of Africa, it's reflective of the lowest class of white people who colonized the US.

Standalone 02-22-13 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by thryn (Post 15298922)
*applauds*
Thank you.

One cannot teach "proper" English to speakers whose native language is deep dialect without understanding and respecting that dialect as legitimate.

Now, as for your assumption that the Craigslist poster is male ... ;)

Thanks. And one value of it is that gender is actually communicated within the dialect. The likelihood of that writer being male is like way high dude.

jon c. 02-22-13 10:02 PM

Lazy? Speaking Cockney seems like a lot of effort to me.

Standalone 02-22-13 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll (Post 15299437)
(...) I could understand the slang and or dialect but you actually allow students to hand in work with misspelled words? That makes you part of the problem.

See IthaDan's post--
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...1#post15299702

edit: and by the way, much as I love and respect it, that ebonics CL ad was totally funny, almost to the point of being probably fake... :) but it was spot on.

Standalone 02-22-13 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jon c. (Post 15306618)
Lazy? Speaking Cockney seems like a lot of effort to me.

I'm gonna give ya a bunch of fives between your mince pies and disappear down the apples and pears.

Bikedued 02-22-13 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Yo Spiff (Post 15303475)
Some truth to this, I've gotten a couple of good finds on CL and Ebay because a lousy photo made something look undesirable. As I am also into photography, I recognized that it was probably the poor quality pic and not the item.

That has happened for me twice! No pic Just "Peugeot bicycle $125", was a PX10. Next one was horrible pics, but a certain color combo caught my eye. Turned out to be my Grand Record for $100.,,,,BD

anixi 02-23-13 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Bikedued (Post 15306702)
That has happened for me twice! No pic Just "Peugeot bicycle $125", was a PX10. Next one was horrible pics, but a certain color combo caught my eye. Turned out to be my Grand Record for $100.,,,,BD

I can top that: an ad for a Peugeot, they had the handlebars all jacked up, 35mm tires, really not a presentable bike. Turned out to be a '73 PX-10 that had Campy Record/Champion wheelset with a terrible Shimano Eagle (with integrated hangar) crammed on to the rear DO. I bargained him down to $20, took that bike home hooting all the way!

P.S. I spent more than $300 getting it back in rideable condition and sold it for a loss...doh!

anixi 02-23-13 12:29 AM

While my dear daughter is puking, thought I'd check out C/L:

http://spokane.craigslist.org/bik/3637233033.html

nr4xk-3637233033@sale.craigslist.org[SUP] [?][/SUP]
flag [SUP][?][/SUP] : miscategorized prohibited spam best of Posted: 2013-02-22, 7:40PM PST
[h=2]Mountain Bike Customized - $300 (spokane)[/h] http://images.craigslist.org/thumb/3...62a5e81eb2.jpg http://images.craigslist.org/thumb/3...c7e0081fa0.jpg
http://images.craigslist.org/3E33Gc3...c7e0081fa0.jpg
great mountain bike has new bear claw pedals, new brakes, new tires, and a big gel seat. it also has the green plastic strips in both tires so you dont get a flat tire. reach me at 509-742-0614-brandon-thanks

auchencrow 02-24-13 03:10 PM

This guy is really putting on the hard-sell - Who could resist?

( Probably trying to rid himself of the bike at the behest of his better-half. . .
"But honey, I tried and tried to sell it but it just wouldn't sell." ;) )






http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...psd364799d.jpg

DIMcyclist 02-25-13 01:32 AM

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http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/bik/3621991142.html

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=301261

"...Great condition." :eek:

Bikedued 02-25-13 07:42 AM

I emailed and offered to pick it up if he knocks a 5 off the back end of the price. I imagine he will not be too amused.,,,,BD

http://houston.craigslist.org/bik/3641862683.html

Cache 02-25-13 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Bikedued (Post 15314006)
...I imagine he will not be too amused.,,,,BD

But we are!

Bianchigirll 02-25-13 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Bikedued (Post 15314006)
I emailed and offered to pick it up if he knocks a 5 off the back end of the price. I imagine he will not be too amused.,,,,BD

http://houston.craigslist.org/bik/3641862683.html


Do you get the cool antlers and soda too?

Bikedued 02-25-13 08:37 AM

True, lol! I can only imagine he saw a pristine exemple of his bike go for that much on ebay, and figured they're all worth a mint. Now if it was a Klunker 5, then I would be more interested. Rarest of the rare! I would be more interested, but still not $255 interested, hehe.,,,,BD

yellowbarber 02-25-13 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Amesja (Post 15304728)
One thing I do hate is people who use "keywords" on CL to try and drag in extra views. I really HATE that because it makes searching for specific things a chore. If someone has a keyword on an ad that isn't what they are selling I flag it every time. Flag flag flag, miscategorized.

There are a few local big-time sellers in Chicago that have a standard list of keywords they use on EVERY listing of about 500 common search terms. I hate those guys with a passion!

There's a couple of CL sellers here in the NYC area who clog up the search engine with a standard cluster of some 500ish keywords too.
ARRGH!
I see that on eBay alot lately too. I've been spending more time flagging/reporting keyword spammers than finding bits I'm looking for.


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