tbrtbx

Hello C&V'ers. Sorry to trouble you yet again! I found this old campy crank and realized when I tried to put my eggbeaters on that I couldn't - there is a hole on the other side of the pedal thread.. I've never seen this style of crank before, and I would be grateful for any info you wish to impart! The pedal cover reades 'Campagnolo Patent'. I believe it has a 151 bcd.

I will probably end up selling it on eBay but i've not seen this crank on there before so I wouldn't know how to list it. Have any of you seen one of these before, and do you have any idea much do they normally go for?





Again, any info much appreciated!

dbakl

That's a holy grail, first issue of the Campagnolo crank, 1958. Could bring a good buck on ebay if its nice. More if you have the unique spindle from the BB too... Notice the narrow taper on the arms.

Is it track? Don't know if a track is worth more than a road, but I'd bet there are a lot less of them.

luker

you have some pedal adapters in the crank holes. It looks like the cranks were drilled out to accept the adapter, so at some point the original threads were probably ruined.

151 is pre-1964 or so, I think. Is there a place on the back of the crank to mount a smaller second chainring?

luker

Really? the raised lip on the older cranks were smaller, I thought. Can we see some more pictures of the bike?

luker

I can't tell from the picture. Does the outside end of the crank look like this? (courtesy velostuf)

tbrtbx

well, i have a full sized bike pic



luker : yes, it is like that, but there is no engraving listing the pedal thread diameter. I tried to remove them using a small allen key but I had no luck. Either they are glued on, or the hole has been rounded off.

There is an additional lip on the back so I think it's a road crank with a single ring..

tbrtbx

The cranks are also a bit of a pain to remove. I need a thin-walled 15mm socket wrench, because a normal crank puller is too thick to remove the bolt.

tbrtbx

i'm not sure what you mean, the pedal thread is standard thread, 9/16. do you mean the pedal cover was drilled?

luker

I was wrong. dbakl has is pegged. That crank set is valuable. Don't crash it. I'm still waiting for the picture to load...do you know anything about the bike that the cranks are on?

oh, my. That is a very nice bike, and looking at the spear ends on the seatstays, the crankset may have been original to the bike.

yepyep

yow

Ex Pres 

cha-ching

luker

The campy peanut butter wrench was made just for this (and making yummy grease-flavored pbj's). You can find one reasonably on ebay and it would match the bike, or park tool makes one that is similar (won't spread peanut butter, though. There's a pedal wrench on the other end.)

tbrtbx

Wow, thanks guys. The story is, I bought the bike off ebay a few years back. I think all the parts date from the 1950s (save for the saddle and seatpost - it originally had this very uncomfortable beige unicanitor saddle on there!). I believe it belonged to an old retired track racer. I haven't ridden it much, it's too beautiful and i'm too afraid of damaging it, so it's been in my spare room for most of the time. I am not worthy!

I would like to sell it though, along with everything else on the bike. I'd rather it went to someone who actually needed it, who was building up an old period-correct bicycle. Plus I'm a little strapped for cash right now. I don't mean to be avaricious but do you have some idea how much I might get for it on eBay? Has anyone got an expired auction on their watchlist by any chance? I will list it anyway, but i'm just a little curious!

Oh, and I think I do have the original BB. I don't see why it should be from a different era, everything else is from the late 1950s. I snapped this a few minutes ago, I don't know if you can see much or if it means anything to you guys.



Thank you for all your replies, you have been most helpful.

tbrtbx

Oh, I had a rear flat a while back and had fun trying to repair the tubular! Unstitched + patched the tube. Unfortunately, in putting it back on, i left a fair amount of glue residue on the rear tyre and the rim, which you can see in the pic. Do you guys have any advice on removing it without damaging the gumwall area? I search but didn't find much..

dannyg1 

If I remember correctly, the last one of those I saw sold for well over $600.

luker

I'm not gonna guess at the price. that'll put this thread into a subthread, and it'll be buried. The bike is very valuable, and the cranks alone are worth what you probably paid for the bike a few years ago. I don't think that it'll help much but you could try to search completed sales for camp* crank*, and you might get lucky. You'll be shocked to see what the bottom bracket assembly is worth, as well, if it is the original.

luker

This is what you want to see on your bottom bracket cups, btw (again, stolen from velostuf).

dbakl

No, the original spindle had very large washer type rings at the races.

That's a road crank. The oiler in the bb shell leads me to believe the frame may be as old as the crank. I'm not sure the inner dust covers were meant to come off, at least they don't easily.

I know about these only because I sold a really nice '58 Legnano for $1,000. and the crank alone is worth that much! (not that I'm too sad, I bought it for $125.)

luker

I think the caps are threaded, but there is no way to nicely take them out. The later campy pedals had longer threaded parts, and would pop the caps off, but not nicely.

vjp

Why do you want to part out such a lovely bike?

vjp

dannyg1 

Are you in NYC?

luker

The campy pedal hole covers were eliminated in 1959. that puts the upper date on the crank. The axle that dbakl refers to is the 744 with large washer flanges; i couldn't find a picture but it is distinctive...

tbrtbx

Hmm, I don't think it's original then. IMine don't say 'CON SFERE', mine say CAMPAGNOLO 1.370" X 24TPI MADE IN ITALY'

tbrtbx

It's been a part of the furniture for a while now and i'd rather someone who wants it more buys it from me! I am in the UK.

dannyg1 

You have lovely taste in furniture.