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    building a beater '73 schwinn paramount

    Hi guys.
    I found this beat paramount frame at the OC swap meet a couple weeks back.
    We got there late and this was waiting, like baitin a fish.

    There were reasons why,
    there is a small dink on the top tube

    and a nasty stomach-turning crimp on the seat post tube,
    probably from a frame-stand-clamp or something.


    The price was decent (to me) since the frame looked straight, and came with the fork, still had original metallic green paint and chrome nervex's were so nice.

    So like a pound puppy I brought it home.

    (I had a set of campy lambda/ypsilon rims with 25's fortunately for the shots)

    Anyway,

    I like gears, and would like a somewhat era'd build-up.
    The frame # is E73237, so may of '73.
    Also to note,
    there are no rack mount holes, so its more of the non-touring road bike version.

    Can you guys help me out with what pieces to look for to put it back together?
    There seems to be a mismatched group of parts on paramounts i've studied- campagnolo, weinmann ...
    so please point me in the general direction.
    The only real change i'd like is to keep the 700 campy wheelset, they're straight and I really like the shallow V,
    so what brakes, long range, short range?

    I have a too nice '73 schroder full campy nuovo record/cinelli equipped road bike,
    and a late70/early80's campania phil-hub/sugino/suntour/diacompe equipped super-beater drillium'd road bike,
    so this i'd like as a bike in-between,
    with 2nd hand ebay parts a little scratched to satisfy my drillium addiction.
    (yeah yeah - B or C grade frames and parts are good for that!)

    Any help is greatly appreciated.

    Thanks
    travis
    Last edited by perichbrothers; 05-23-09 at 08:59 PM.

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    Nice find!

    Don't give up on that frame. The seat tube might be fixable by someone who knows what they are doing.

    Your model looks like the racing one, the P-13, as there are no eyelets on the dropouts.

    I found a wreck of a Paramount a couple years ago (a P-13 like yours) and got it looking nice with a lot of help from the locals here. It is in this thread.

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    It looks really, really nice. You done good! Don't sweat the dents.

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    Without eyelets and with the road rear dropouts, it's a P13-9 Professional Road Racer like BlankCrows says.

    Here is the 1973 P13-9 page from the '73 Paramount catalog that might be helpful in building up your frameset.

    Last edited by Scooper; 05-23-09 at 10:19 PM.
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    Seat tube is unbelievably easy to fix - run a steel 27.0 (perhaps followed by a 27.2) seatpost - with a rod welded to it so you can pull it back out - down the frame, and gradually tap it down as it pushes the dent out.

    Did so on my '61 Paramount about three years ago. No ill effects yet.

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    Didn't sell it on Craigslist, eh?

    http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/bik/1175592896.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabid Koala View Post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabid Koala View Post
    Note this:

    "The only real change i'd like is to keep the 700 campy wheelset"
    Read that a couple of times, then the C-List ad becomes even funnier.

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    Yeah you guys caught me!

    I kinda overlooked my wife on mothers day,
    so I ended up craigslisting a ton of things,
    (including a nice 1941 schwinn cycletruck...
    http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/bik/1181124321.html
    a bunch of surfboards, kayak, lathe, boat, van...!)

    The stuff i wanted to keep I kinda overpriced,
    and have fortunately sold enough to make her/us happy
    (a new mattress-things are expensive...)

    Now that i'm out of hot water,
    with a little extra dough from the other sales,
    i'd really like to put it together.

    Wasn't trying to deceive you guys!

    travis

    Also,
    thanks for the paramount ad, really helps.

    TP

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    I feel so dirty now. I think I need a shower.

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    Isn't BEATER-PARAMOUNT an oxymoron?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebr898 View Post
    Isn't BEATER-PARAMOUNT an oxymoron?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ebr898 View Post
    Isn't BEATER-PARAMOUNT an oxymoron?
    Nope, beater and Paramount have been combined before. This is the condition mine was in when I came across it. The guy I bought it from said it was in a fire. It looked like he wasn't kidding.......


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    Quote Originally Posted by perichbrothers View Post
    Hi guys.
    I found this beat paramount frame at the OC swap meet a couple weeks back.
    ... Can you guys help me out with what pieces to look for to put it back together? ...

    Thanks
    travis
    Hi Travis,

    I live in Encinitas and have a pretty good stash of spare bike parts, so contact me next time you need something.

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    Let me know if you need some pictures of this to help your research. I'm it's original owner of this 1972 model and except for the wheels, it's stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barrettscv View Post
    Let me know if you need some pictures of this to help your research. I'm it's original owner of this 1972 model and except for the wheels, it's stock.

    You probably know this, but if that's a '72, that's not the original finish. If it's the original finish, the bike is later - '76-79.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Picchio Special View Post
    You probably know this, but if that's a '72, that's not the original finish. If it's the original finish, the bike is later - '76-79.
    It was repainted at the Chicago factory several years after it was built. Yes, the paint is not original.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barrettscv View Post
    It was repainted at the Chicago factory several years after it was built. Yes, the paint is not original.
    It may not be the original decals, but it looks like they did a nice job - better than those over-done later Waterford repaints with the Waterford Paramount decal sets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebr898 View Post
    Isn't BEATER-PARAMOUNT an oxymoron?
    Those dinks definitely put it in the "beater-paramount" category!

    Thanks guys for the suggestion to about the "seat-post fix"

    And John I just pm'd ya a rambling message!

    I've been getting rid of so much junk i had collected over the years, spring cleaning,
    i'm getting excited to be able to put this thing together.

    Thanks again.

    TP

    Oh yeah blankcrows, saw your build-up and wow what a transformation,
    amazing that it had been tortured like that, but a truly beautiful resto on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Picchio Special View Post
    It may not be the original decals, but it looks like they did a nice job - better than those over-done later Waterford repaints with the Waterford Paramount decal sets.
    Not the original decals - correct.
    Nice job - correct.
    Better then Waterford's cheap looking, overpriced "restorations" - correct.

    -Kurt

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    This is probably anathema to a lot of folks, but there are shops that do excellent frame restoration. My 1970 P-13 still looks new after I had Matt Assenmacher repaint, re-decal (he gets the correct ones for the bike) and straighten it about 10 years ago. Here's a link to his web site in case you're interested: http://www.assenmachers.com/

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    Hey Tom what did you need straightened about the frame?
    TP
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    Quote Originally Posted by perichbrothers View Post
    Hey Tom what did you need straightened about the frame?
    TP
    Interestingly, I didn't know it needed straightening. Matt suggested he do it as part of the work and it wasn't a lot more, so I told him to go ahead. I was amazed at how much improved the ride was when the frame came back. The misalignment had happened slowly over a great many years, so I hadn't noticed the difference until it got fixed. Then it was a major "wow!"

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