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Old 07-02-09, 11:45 AM   #1
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My Vintage Bottecchia road bike.

Hi everyone. My Name is Andrew, i'm from australia, I race BMX, MTB, road. & I also restore vintage BMX bikes.

I've been wanting to restore a road bike for a while now, i have all the parts but I couldn't find the right frame,

BUT My farthers friend gave me his old Bottecchia for 50bux!!. He purchased the bike new in Sisily in the early 80s.
I just wanted to try & find out some info on the frame, such as year model etc & possibly frame material.

It is missing the origional record wheelset & brakes, but it has nuovo valentino rear mech, record front mech. Ofmega cranks, B/B & headset, record pedals. regina chain & regina bx extra freewheel

I stripped the bike down completely as soon as I got the bike home & have started overhauling all the parts & polishing the hell out of the components.

I have fitted the 1st generation dura-ace stem with Cinelli bars & will be fitting NOS Galli brakes to the bike along with high flange campy gran sport hubs with tubular fiamme rims.

I am currently in the rebuild process & just need to wrap the bars, fit cables, fit chain, rebuild rear wheel, and find an appropriate saddle & a campy seatpost to fit, I have most of the parts fitted & it is very light. much lighter then I expected.

The SERIAL NO# 576899 and is located on the seat tube horizontally about 2 inches bellow the seat post fastening bolt( there is also a carneilli sticker). any idea what year & what model the bike is? my dads friend forgets.

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Old 07-02-09, 11:51 AM   #2
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anyone know where I can get a NOS Fiamme 40 hole tubular rim?
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Old 07-02-09, 02:54 PM   #4
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You're probably going to need an Italian guy to tell you exactly what model that is. As far as I know it was never exported, at least not to North America and maybe not to Australia either so it won't appear in any catalogs over here. It is most similar to the Special model that was exported to the US until the mid-70's but is a somewhat better bike. It's early 80's based on the decal scheme and frame details which makes sense based on when your friend's dad bought it. I suspect the frame is hi-tensile steel with forged dropouts. Crank is probably a swagged Ofmega. It's similar to the one below on Italian eBay. It's their entry level racer.

http://cgi.ebay.it/Sport-e-Attrezzat...3A1%7C294%3A50
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Old 07-02-09, 02:59 PM   #5
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anyone know where I can get a NOS Fiamme 40 hole tubular rim?
http://www.melpintoimports.com/rims/...bular700c.html

Fiamme Tipoi 700c Tubular Rim, Polished, Red Label 40 hole
Each $39.95

Shipping might cost you a bundle though.
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You're probably going to need an Italian guy to tell you exactly what model that is. As far as I know it was never exported, at least not to North America and maybe not to Australia either so it won't appear in any catalogs over here. It is most similar to the Special model that was exported to the US until the mid-70's but is a somewhat better bike. It's early 80's based on the decal scheme and frame details which makes sense based on when your friend's dad bought it. I suspect the frame is hi-tensile steel with forged dropouts. Crank is probably a swagged Ofmega. It's similar to the one below on Italian eBay. It's their entry level racer.
I couldn't say for sure what it is, but this could be a mid-range frame with lower-end Campy components, from the late '60s. Generally these lower-end Italian frames are nice riders, though you'll probably never quite know what kind of tubing it's made of. There is some decent lugwork, and the fork crown is not bargain-basement. The frame ends seem to be forged rather than stamped. The derailleurs you have (Valentino or Velox) are widely reviled, but if they work, they work; usable if not collectible. The straight seat pin is also a sign of lower to middle grade.

The really low-end frames had significantly worse workmanship, but this is not a high-end frame.

You have a classic example of one phase of Italian cycling, with all the benefits and liabilities. Once you get everything working together, which should really just be an exercise in bike tuning and possibly in parts cleaning (example: brake calipers), it should be nice to ride.

A Brooks B17n or vintage B5 would be a nice surrogate for an original Italian lower-end leather saddle.

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Crank is probably a swagged Ofmega. It's similar to the one below on Italian eBay. It's their entry level racer.
SWAGED, not swagged. The operation used to join the arm to the spider is to swage. To swag has many meanings, including to make a Smart Wild-*****ed Guess (this would be a better guess than a Wild-*****ed Guess, or WAG).
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SWAGED, not swagged. The operation used to join the arm to the spider is to swage. To swag has many meanings, including to make a Smart Wild-*****ed Guess (this would be a better guess than a Wild-*****ed Guess, or WAG).
And would you believe that I actually thought about that but didn't have the time to spend to verify the spelling? (My boss really does expect me to get some work done).

At any rate...

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I couldn't say for sure what it is, but this could be a mid-range frame with lower-end Campy components, from the late '60s. Generally these lower-end Italian frames are nice riders, though you'll probably never quite know what kind of tubing it's made of. There is some decent lugwork, and the fork crown is not bargain-basement. The frame ends seem to be forged rather than stamped. The derailleurs you have (Valentino or Velox) are widely reviled, but if they work, they work; usable if not collectible. The straight seat pin is also a sign of lower to middle grade.

The really low-end frames had significantly worse workmanship, but this is not a high-end frame.

You have a classic example of one phase of Italian cycling, with all the benefits and liabilities. Once you get everything working together, which should really just be an exercise in bike tuning and possibly in parts cleaning (example: brake calipers), it should be nice to ride.

A Brooks B17n or vintage B5 would be a nice surrogate for an original Italian lower-end leather saddle.

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I'll have to disagree with you Road Fan...at least some of what you said - it's an early 80's Italian market bike, the rough equivalent of what would have been the Special some five years before in North America. There are significant differences. Besides the forged dropouts, there are the braze-on bosses for the shifters, the cutouts on the lugs, the SWAGED Ofmega crank, and most importantly for purposes of identifying the bike, the decals. As with many brands, the decals are the best way to pinpoint the manufacture date. Those down tube and seat tube decals came into use somewhere between 1976 and 1979. I have some pictures of a confirmed 1979 bike that is almost identical to that one. Confirmed how? It has the Carnielli 70th anniverary decal indicating the 1909 - 1979 Carnielli anniversary dates on it. So while I agree with most everything you said, I disagree with your dating of the bike. I'll assume you were being humerous with your post about my misspelling but it might make other readers question my analysis of the bike which would do everyone a disservice (Damn, I sound like Cartman). I stand by my previous post, although spelling acuracy is not guaranteed in that, this, or any other post. Maybe if they get spell check on the forum
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Old 07-02-09, 09:12 PM   #9
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I tend to agree with Kommisar's '79 estimate, by the sporty geometry, swaged alloy cranks, a and lack of eyelets on the forged dropouts. By my visual estimation, general cleaning and replacement of the saddle, seatpost, and cranks would give you a really nice rider.
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I concur with K89's assessment. My guess would be a early 1980s, upper entry level or lower mid-range road sport model. It definitely no more modern than 1985 based on the decals. The road sport geometry and components indicate upper entry level, possibly mid-range. At this level, you typically didn't get bottle bosses, lever bosses and forged dropouts, until the 1980s. It's not higher end, by virtue of the brake cable stops and geometry. Knowing the seat post diameter would help to confirm the level.
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Thanks guys for all your info.
So are we thinking mid 70s to early 80s?

So it's a pretty decent bike but isnt it? not it's a POS.

I have finished building her up & have overhauled everything on it, polished all the parts (even the bearing surfaces haha)

specs. Bottecchia **** frame & fork
Campagnolo gran sport hubs with fiamme rims
NOS galli brakes
campy nuovo valentino gears
cinelli bars
shimano dura-ace stem
record pedals
ofmega cranks

pics up soon,

I am building up myself up a group of components to put on a frame once i find the right frame.
I have mavic front mech, super record rear, record hubs, NOS galli rims, campy pedals.
just need a frame, brakes & some other bits.
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I'd pretty much rule out the mid-1970s. From what I've seen, even the top models weren't using that level of braze-ons at that time, so it's very unlikely the entry models did. Possibly very late 1970s, but I think early 1980s is more likely.
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I agree with T-Mar, it's an early 80's bike. A mid 70's or earlier Italian market version of that bike would look something like this - note that it has short point lugs and no cut-outs on the crown like the North American market Special model as well as several other braze-ons like the Special model along with Valentino derailleurs and a cottered crank but forged drop-outs and no top tube cable guides like the Giro d'Italia and Professional models.



Here is a picture of a 1979 version of the OP's bike - note the same crank. You probably can't see in that picture but it has Valentino Extra derailleurs, braze-on shifter bosses, and the same head badge and decals:



We know it's a '79 from the anniversary decal:



All of the pictures are from eBay Italy. These models were not exported to the US. I would imagine these models are similar to the Peugeot PA-10, a model for a young beginning racer.
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