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Old 08-17-09, 11:07 PM   #1
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Pinarello Treviso (Update)

From: ID this Pinarello!

So I picked up the bike this evening, and took off the computer, aerobars, and puke-tape. (forgot the computer magnet)
Overall, it's in pretty good condition, though some paint is chipping off and revealing the chromed (whoo!) frame underneath.

Here's a quick rundown of all of the parts:

Wheels: Shimano 600 hubs laced with straight-gauge spokes to Wolber rims. Probably Shimano 600 freewheel.
Bars/Stem: 3ttt stem and 3ttt "Competizione" bars
Headset: Campagnolo (unknown groupset)
Shifters: Campagnolo (unknown groupset)
Brakes: Drilled Campagnolo levers w/white hoods (good condition--Record?). Campagnolo (group?) caliper
Crankset: Campagnolo Strada crankarms, Campagnolo chainrings. Looks like a Campy bottom bracket too.
Deraileurs: Unknown Campagnolo
Seat/Seatpost: Selle Italia seat, campagnolo seatpost.

So the seller told me everything's original, but did Pinarello ever sell both Shimano and Campy on the same bike?

From the other forum, some people (Thanks dmp, LesterOfPuppets) identified it as a Pinarello Record, possibly '84.

Based on the pictures below (many more in their gigantic glory in the link below) can anybody confirm those statements? Sorry for the night pictures--will post some later in better light.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/loganwa...7621946837939/
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Looks pretty sweet. The Campy derailleurs, brakes, shift levers and chainrings are all Super Record. I imagine the seat post is probably super record too. Edit: I see you listed the hubs already
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Not likely, Unless somebody bought the frame and installed whatever they had. Check out the catalog scans here: http://www.bulgier.com/pics/bike/Catalogs/ There's 4 Pinarello directories, you might find something there. Pinarello's were made in Treviso Italy, hence the name on the head badge.
Would you mind me asking how much did you pay, feel free to PM me.
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Hmmm, that fork doesn't look very 1984. And it seems like the Pinarellos that I've seen that were claimed 1984s had decal headbadges as opposed to the metal badge.

Beautiful bike, whatever the case.

Oh, with regard to the parts originality, if it is in fact a Record, they were offered as framesets only. I'd imagine importers, shops and end users were responsible for parts picks.
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Is there a decal on the top side of the down tube, right behind the head tube?
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And it seems like the Pinarellos that I've seen that were claimed 1984s had decal headbadges as opposed to the metal badge.
My '85 had a decal, not a badge. My '85 also had the aero tubing that you don't see in a catalog. She was one of the team frames that Alexi Grewal's team used.

But I've seen plenty from the mid to late '80s that had metal badges. By the very late '80s, they had gone to decals exclusively.

I could be wrong, though... I'm going on 20 year old memories.
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Nope, no decal. Are you referring to that commemerative '84 decal Pinarello put on a few bikes of the era?



The bike looks awfully similar to the one pictured--without the decal you mentioned. Of course, the fork on mine isn't chromed either, so is it an earlier frame?
Also, it has no cool Pinarello panto'ing.
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I just bought an 83 Colnago. Same groupo, SR. Your missing the pedals and crank dust caps. Note that not all the parts are really SR, like the shift levers and pedals, but were part of the groupo descriptions and package.

Great looking bike. What is the word on the Columbus tubing sticker on the left side? That will tell you the tube type.
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No decal and the squared off fork crown indicate (to me) that it is earlier than '85. That decal was on every Pinarello I've seen from 1985 on, commemorating Alexi Grewal's Olympic win in the 1984 Los Angeles Olympics. The decal was later modified to include wins in the Giro, World Championship, and TdF.

As for components, that gets tricky. Back in the '80s, most Pinarellos coming from Gita were framesets. Bike shops then either sold the frameset to the customer for him (or her) to build up as they wished, which is what I did. OR, the shop built it up into a complete bike to sell. Your bike is all Campy, except for the hubs & freewheel? The rear derailleur is Super Record, btw. I'm guessing that your bike was sold as a complete bike. The wheels may have been replaced soon after the purchase, or they may have been put on at the bike shop to lower the price a bit.

Are the rims clinchers or tubular? What pedals are those?

I'm still leaning toward an early '80s Treviso. Every Record I've seen from this era has had a full sloping fork crown (and 90+ percent had a full chrome fork).
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Your missing the... crank dust caps.{editted**
We did that a lot, back in the day. I did it, 'cuz I thought it looked cool, and all the pros did it.
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We did that a lot, back in the day. I did it, 'cuz I thought it looked cool, and all the pros did it.
In fact, take a look at the catalog photo posted in this thread - no crank dust caps.
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Nope, no decal. Are you referring to that commemerative '84 decal Pinarello put on a few bikes of the era?
It isn't a commemorative decal (though it may be serving a dual purpose as such) - it's the frame's model name.

9 chances out of 10, your Pinarello is not a "Treviso." that's simply the name of the city in Italy that Pinarello was located, and it appears on all of their models. They did use it as a model name, but the overwhelming chances are that it isn't a Treviso. Granted though, it would be similar to the 1985 Treviso N.R. if it weren't for the SR group and flat fork crown, and the frame is dead-on with the '85 Triathlon Victory - failing only by an SR group as opposed to the Victory group.

Only the Cross and the Pista Amatore seemed to carry the flat crown fork past 1987.

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The 1981 Treviso and Italia are pretty good matches, except both have painted seat stay caps and RH stays. No dropout chrome either. Might I ask what the patent date is on your SR RD? I have a suspicion that your frame might date from somewhere between '81 and '85, if the evolution of Pinarello's frame finishes and lugs are of any indication.

EDIT #2: I seem to make out Pat-81 or Pat-83 on your RD. I'm leaning towards the former. I also notice the drive side dropout is drilled for the Campagnolo Porta Catena chainholder (first available in 1978).

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In fact, take a look at the catalog photo posted in this thread - no crank dust caps.
Ha! I didn't even notice! It was really common back then.

Good catch, Picchio!
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It isn't a commemorative decal (though it may be serving a dual purpose as such) - it's the frame's model name.

9 chances out of 10, your Pinarello is not a "Treviso." that's simply the name of the city in Italy that Pinarello was located, and it appears on all of their models. They did use it as a model name, but the overwhelming chances are that it isn't a Treviso. Granted though, it would be similar to the 1985 Treviso N.R. if it weren't for the SR group and flat fork crown, and the frame is dead-on with the '85 Triathlon Victory - failing only by an SR group as opposed to the Victory group.

Only the Cross and the Pista Amatore seemed to carry the flat crown fork past 1987.

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The 1981 Treviso and Italia are pretty good matches, except both have painted seat stay caps and RH stays. No dropout chrome either. Might I ask what the patent date is on your SR RD? I have a suspicion that your frame might date from somewhere between '81 and '85, if the evolution of Pinarello's frame finishes and lugs are of any indication.

EDIT #2: I seem to make out Pat-81 or Pat-83 on your RD. I'm leaning towards the former. I also notice the drive side dropout is drilled for the Campagnolo Porta Catena chainholder (first available in 1978).

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Kurt, the decal he am I are referring to is the one on the down tube, just behind the head tube. It most certainly is a commemorative decal.

You are right about "Treviso". It's on all of the seat tubes of that era, and is not (necessarily) the model of the bike. Pinarello is located in Treviso, Italy. Almost everyone thinks they have a Pinarello Treviso based on this one (confusing) feature.

If you look in the 1981 catalog, page 5, Pinarello Treviso:


The fork crown looks correct, the chromed drive side chain stay is not on the '81 bike. Seat stay caps are slightly different.

So my guess still stands. '82, '83, or '84 Pinarello Treviso. In 1981, the Record looks to have had the full sloping fork crown, so I think we can rule out the Record. No commemorative decal, so I think we can rile out anything 1985 or later. Also, by 1985, the Treviso model had a full sloping fork crown, like the Record.

EDIT: I also think that the OP's bike was shipped as a frameset, not a complete, factory built bike.

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What is the word on the Columbus tubing sticker on the left side? That will tell you the tube type.
The seat tube Columbus sticker looks like it fell off, and the original owner put it back on in pieces. Maybe someone could identify it based on the few scraps that are left? On the fork, the label is clear: "Forcella Originale".





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Are the rims clinchers or tubular? What pedals are those?
Wolber T410 Alpine clincher rims. Look clipless pedals.



Too bad Bulgier.net doesn't have all of the catalogs. Does anybody know where else to find them?

I have a set of clean Record (high flange) hubs from the 80's--would that, paired with some period mavic rims or the original Wolber rims, be more appropriate?
Pedals-wise, I'll try and contact the seller and see if I can get a hold of them. It looks like it uses some

Thanks for all of the positive responses!
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I'd build up those Record hubs, FO SHO! Use the Wolbers too... you already have them, so why not?
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I'm going to cast my vote for a 1983-1984 Record.

The earliest catalog on Bulgier references Battaglin's 1981 Vuelta win, indicating the catalog is no newer than 1981 and probably for the 1982 model year. None of models in this catalog have a brazed-on front derailleur tab, but do use the same fork crown as the OP's bicycle, so the OP's bicycle should be newer than 1982.

The 1985 catalog shows optional front derailleur braze-ons for the Record and Treviso but they both use a more sloping crown, unlike the OP's, so the OP's bicycle should be older than 1985.

As for the model, the 1985 Record and Treviso are both Columbus SL and outwardly identical with the exception of the Record having both stays chromed and Treviso only one. This distinction of the Record having more chrome carries back to the 1982 catalog, with the Record having a chrome stay but the Treviso having none.

Given that the OPs bicycle has dual chromed stays it would appear to be a Record. The front derailleur braze-on and fork crown style would appear to date it to 1983-1984.
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If there was a pool for this, I'd buy the 1983 record square. I've seen several bikes that owners claimed to be 84s with the sloped crown fork.
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The headset looks like an alloy super record too, nice.
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OK, after further research (and the fact that I missed a couple things like braze-on front derailleur tab & dual chrome chainstays-- I only saw the DS one and missed the non-DS), you guys have convinced me.

I'll agree with Record over a Treviso. '82 or '83.

What you gots there, is an incredibly nice bike for $400. I miss my Pinarello almost every day. I should NEVER have sold her. Chances of me getting her back are impossible.
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definitely a SR headset (sounds like a nearly complete SR gruppo, except for the hubs). I agree with Lesterofpuppets- my '84 Record (bought as a frameset, not a built up bike) has a decal on the head tube, not a badge. 2 other differences from wanlogan's frame- the fork crown, as already mentioned, and one anomaly not yet mentioned- the decals on the seat tube. Mine has the "Pinarello" on both sides, with the "Treviso" down the center (facing in to the main triangle- the opposite of wanlogan's). Those decals are in amazingly good shape by the way. In any case, it looks like a great find to me. Enjoy riding it!
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I was wondering about the seattube decals too, and hoping that would point to a year, but looking at the '85 catalog it shows the Record with both ST decal styles. It seems to have come with a one or two bottle cage braze-on option. Side "Pinarello" ST decals on the two bottle cage option, front of the seattube "Pinarello" decal on frames with only the downtube waterbottle mounts.
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That's the way I've always understood it to be w/ regards to the ST decals.
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+1. When you add a 2nd set of bottle bosses you don't want ithe bottle covering up your logo! Hence the move to dual logos on the side of the tubes. Even if the decals are replacements, they are correct for the frame.
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Throughout all this dissertation, did we ever get the serial #?
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