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    parts ID on old Peugeot

    I am going to break this bike down but I would like to identify the components. I am not a Peugeot expert.

    Stronglight crankset?


    Peugeot Mavic tubeless?


    Simplex or is this also Peugeot?



    Just 3 tubes or the entire frame?

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    1) Stronglight 104 bis
    2) Mavic Montlery Championat du Monde tubulars
    3) I don't know what you are referring to - derailleur, freewheel or dropouts? The derailleur is some derivative of the Simplex SX series, most likely a 610 or an 810
    4) Main triangle is 531, stays and probably fork are not
    N-1 is my long-term goal

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    ricohman....although some of the parts are branded as Peugeot they were made by another company like Stronglight or Simplex. AFAIK Peugeot never made any of their own parts.
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    Thanks guys. I knew the experts would know. I did not know about Peugeot not making their own parts.
    In the pic with the RD. I was refering to the freewheel. I guess its not Peugeot!

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    The crankset is Stronglight.
    The frameset is a PKN-10 Competition, circa 1980. It is the same double butted (renforces) Reynolds 531 main triangle (3 tubes) as the PX-10, but with cheap seamed carbon steel forks and stays.
    The freewheel is probably Atom or Normandy -- remove the rear wheel and read the inscription on the exposed bearing cone.
    The chain, if original, is a Sedis. Good, but probably worn out.

    Since almost everything except the SunTour shifters looks original, it would be a real shame to break that one down or to part it out. These are fabulous bikes, and I would still be riding mine if it had been a couple of cm shorter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John E View Post
    The crankset is Stronglight.
    The frameset is a PKN-10 Competition, circa 1980. It is the same double butted (renforces) Reynolds 531 main triangle (3 tubes) as the PX-10, but with cheap seamed carbon steel forks and stays.
    The freewheel is probably Atom or Normandy -- remove the rear wheel and read the inscription on the exposed bearing cone.
    The chain, if original, is a Sedis. Good, but probably worn out.

    Since almost everything except the SunTour shifters looks original, it would be a real shame to break that one down or to part it out. These are fabulous bikes, and I would still be riding mine if it had been a couple of cm shorter.
    I am in a reorganization faze of my bike hobby so this Peugeot is among a group of bikes that will be sold.
    I want to get the collection down to 5 or 6 nice rides and two modern road bikes.

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    Hello Antipodes, how can you tell only the main triangle is 531? is it the placement of the decal or you indepth knowledge of Peugeot?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
    Hello Antipodes, how can you tell only the main triangle is 531? is it the placement of the decal or you indepth knowledge of Peugeot?

    It's the decal layout. If you could see the left hand side of the decal, the bottom line it says " 3 tubes renforces" (i.e 3 butted tubes). That, plus the fact that 531 is written horizontally. The full 531 set has 531 printed at an angle. I believe the only exception is the special Schwinn decal for the full 531 set. It's has the 531 printerd horizontally, with stars on both sides of the 531, IIRC.

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    "Three tubes"?? So it's like a "Tretubi" frameset as Columbus used to make?
    Didn't know that they did the same with Reynolds framesets.
    Does that RD have plastic pivots? if it is, I think it's one of those flexy "Criterium" model DRs. If the pivots are metal, then it could be an better LJ model. The "Super LJ" model with all aluminum construction is very sought after and could be considered as Simplex's own version of the Campy SR (Although I don't think it approaches the SR's quality). I wouldn't mind snagging one of those SLJs RD and FD (NOS hopefully) for my PSV one of these days for a good price.
    Nice to see a Stronglight 104 Bis on a bike again. It was the last gasp of the drilled and pantographing trend that was around in the 70's. Actually had the 104 Bis on my Peugeot PH10 as an upgrade mod in the early 80's. The drilled rings made it such a beautiful crankset. It seems to be just starting to get the attention of collectors at the auction sites so if you are restoring a classic 70's/80's French bike, it would be good to get one if you can still find it for a good price.

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    Pkn10e peugeot answers and parts wanted please

    Hi there

    I also think this is a 1980 Competition model, should say 'Competition' on the top tube, near to the seat post.

    All tubes, including forks are 531, the same as on the PX10 of the era.

    On a 1980 PKN10, I am pretty sure the freewheel would a Sachs Maillard 6-speed with the following number of teeth: 13, 15, 17, 20, 24, 28

    And I need one desperately, so if you are going to break it up, please let me know?

    These sites are probably familiar to you but just in case:

    http://retropeugeot.com/

    and you might find this interesting: http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/vie...ghlight=stolen

    it is the story of how I repossessed my stolen 1980 PKN10E, with a good catalogue pic of the same. It would seem that only some markets got the drilled chainset that you and I have - my bike has French text on the Reynolds sticker - the UK market bikes got an un-drilled chainset, as far as I can tell.


    If you are breaking up this bike - which I think is a real shame, I would dearly love any of the following if you have them:



    1. Original 1980-ish Peugeot

    cycle computer on handlebars - looks like a calculator

    2. Sachs Maillard 6-speed freewheel, 13, 15, 17, 20, 24 and 28 tooth

    3. Some reasonable Lytotard 45CA alloy pedals

    4. Simplex SJA102 front mech

    5. Gallet leather saddle

    6. The little wheel 'lead-ins' that fit under the brake block securing studs and

    nuts to help put the wheel back in fast. These are alloy (I think) and have

    rubber or plastic-covered ends.

    7. Wheel reflectors (see pic in listing url above)

    8. Rear reflector and bracket.

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    Reynolds tube correction

    Actually, i am babbling in my last post: the PKN10 has the 3 tubes reinforcee sticker and thus three 531 tubes and the fork is not 531 as far as I know. The PX10 had a fully chromed fork with a 531 sticker on the side.

    Peugeots are a bit tricky though, I think they used up whatever parts they had lying around sometimes.
    Can you tell me the number stamped on your frame? This will give the year if not the model exactly.

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    No one seemed to notice the front derailleur's French style braze-on mounting. The unusual FD mounting might be another reason why this bike might not be a good candidate for breaking up because the proper FDs are getting harder to find out there. So the person buying the frameset might have a little bit of trouble finding one unless the FD is sold with the frameset. I think the mounting boss can get in the way of a mounting band clamp on conventional derailleur.

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    thanks T-mar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chombi View Post
    proper FDs are getting harder to find out there.
    84 Peugeot PSV
    They're readily available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miamijim View Post
    They're readily available.
    Yes, but only once in a while at eBay and not stocked anymore at your LBS (know of any Peugeot dealers in the US?). The NOS will eventually dry out (quicker than the conventional FD versions) and they will be gone. I have my own spares for my PSV (Mavic and Simplex) but they came from auction sellers from France at eBay and they are NOS. LBSs in my neck of the woods, even specialty ones that sell NOS items now just roll their eyes and shake their heads if you even ask about French components. Never found one with the French style FDs in stock.

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    It's comparable to the earlier PR10. The stays and fork are the standard Peugeot tubing. You can see the seam running down the back of the fork.

    The rear derailer in not a Super LJ. It doesn't even resemble one.

    The catalog specifies Normandy Luxe Competition hubs, but I prefer the Maillards. Too bad they used those zinc-plated spokes.

    Do I see rust bubbles on the chaistay near the BB?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtdrop View Post
    It's comparable to the earlier PR10. The stays and fork are the standard Peugeot tubing. You can see the seam running down the back of the fork.

    The rear derailer in not a Super LJ. It doesn't even resemble one.

    The catalog specifies Normandy Luxe Competition hubs, but I prefer the Maillards. Too bad they used those zinc-plated spokes.

    Do I see rust bubbles on the chaistay near the BB?

    Chombi:

    I think the RD's the cheapy version of the Super LJ that has sheetmetal covered plastic parallelogram arms. An SX610 would be a vast improvement if it replaced this one, but this Fran can pull off wearing a Super LJ without any problems, it just won't shift as positively as an SX610..........yup that does look like rust under the paint bubbling up behind the chainraings there. should be arrested ASAP and touched up with some paint. Paint matching the peral white might be a big challenge though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chombi View Post
    I think the RD's the cheapy version of the Super LJ that has sheetmetal covered plastic parallelogram arms. An SX610 would be a vast improvement if it replaced this one, but this Fran can pull off wearing a Super LJ without any problems, it just won't shift as positively as an SX610
    You're saying that an SX610 shifts more positively than a Super LJ?

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    Yes!, IMO/my experience, most slant paralleloram RDs shifts better than straight parallelogram RDs. That's why pretty much every manufacturer went to that design during/after the 80's
    I would have kept the SX610 on my PSV longer if it only looked better than it did, but i'm a sucker for beautiful components too, so a Cyclone MkII replaced it after about a year I owned the bike.....Now some may ask why I have a straight paralellogram Mavic on my PSV today........like I said, Im just a sucker for beautiful components, specially now that I don't do the daily miles like
    I did in college, so shifting performance isn't as big a priority anymore.
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    My only experience is with a slant Parallelogram SLJ 6600 and I have three SX610s. The geometry appears to be identical. I can't feel any difference in the way they shift. The SLJ is about 35 grams lighter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtdrop View Post
    My only experience is with a slant Parallelogram SLJ 6600 and I have three SX610s. The geometry appears to be identical. I can't feel any difference in the way they shift. The SLJ is about 35 grams lighter.
    Oooo, you have an SLJ6600. top of the line for the Simplex parallelograms with full aluminum construction (I think my SX 610 still had metal covered plastic parallelogram arms). Your SLJ 6600 must have the "Aerodynamic" logo on it's upper pulley body too(?). That's a real good one to have and definitely a keeper. The straight parallelogram SLJs overshadows it mostly because of nostalgia and looks but defintely not because of performance.

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