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Old 08-18-09, 10:07 PM   #1
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Register of Eroica bikes

I have recently been spending some time looking at the many drool-worthy bikes that are listed in the Eroica Register. All of these bikes were registered by their owners (there is a fee to have your bike registered) and were then "judged" as to their state and period correctness. The official listing can be reached here: http://www.eroica.it/elencobici.php

Bianchi and Legnano are obviously the most common given that they WERE the Italian bicycle rivalry for decades, especially the pre-1960 period that is celebrated by l'Eroica ride. Then followed by Colnagos (15 bikes, a number of which brought by foreigners), then another group of builders from the Heroic period prior to 1960 such as Atala (9 bikes), Frejus (8 bikes), Bartali (7 bikes), Ganna (7 bikes) and Wilier (7 bikes). All of the preceding are what one must consider to be products of large-scale industrial production. Some of you might want to exclude Colnago from the industrial production category, but in my eyes when you are producing more than 20K frames in one year, which Colnago hit in it best years, that is industrial production. It is after this group that you see some surprises and the appearance of the true boutique builders of the modern, post-eroica period makers. There are 6 Masi bikes (3 of which were brought over by Americans) 5 Marastoni bikes (out of a total production of perhaps 3-4000 bikes in 50 plus years of production!), 4 pre-Mexican production Benotto bikes, 4 Cinelli's, 4 Pinarello's (perhaps not fairly considered a boutique builder given their production totals), 4 Gavel bikes (I bet none of you have ever heard of them! They are a brand that is local to the ride area and are not normally considered collectible) 3 Patelli bikes (you don't hear his name mentioned much in the US), 3 Gios bikes and 2 De Rosa's. I believe the presence of the multiple Marastoni's, the early Benotto's and the Patelli's give a strong indication of how well they are respected in Italy, even if virtually unknown here in the US.

One of my favorites is this B.S.A.: http://www.eroica.it/documenti/0245%...0Girardini.pdf

Any others wanting to point out their favorites?
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Where are the UO-8's? This is bikeforums, man!

Now, this is a Peugeot I can appreciate:

http://www.eroica.it/documenti/0243%...0-%20Laghi.pdf
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I'ld really like to meet the individuals riding the long course on those two machines you guys have picked. They must be animals!
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I'ld really like to meet the individuals riding the long course on those two machines you guys have picked. They must be animals!
I was thinking that, too. Wiry old Italian men with sinewy muscles and veins popping out of their legs. I say that with love, as it describes how I remember my own Italian grandfather.
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Wow! Really cool pictures too. Too bad I'm not one of them Maybe next year. I wish they had previous years bikes up there. Aside from the plain old drool value that would be a great resource for those of us who would like to see specific brands/models/years of particular bikes.
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Haven't looked through all of them, but I do like this one.
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this is making me reconsider my "holy grail" list
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The best pictures I have seen to date of pre-war Frejus are grainy B&Ws. Then there is this one, http://www.eroica.it/documenti/0445%...0-%20Viola.pdf

Except it doesn't have typical Frejus characteristics. But then again, the only photos I have seen with those characteristics are post-war.

The only thing that makes me believe this is a random frame with a Frejus headbadge is that it is restored (anything can happen) and the seatpost binding bolt is forward of the seatpost. Even in my grainy pre-war pictures I can see the binding bolt is behind the seatpost. But then again, there could have been a few options back in the day.

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This cool early racing tandem:

http://www.eroica.it/documenti/0162%...De%20Ponti.pdf

And also noticed this (relatively) early Tommasini:

http://www.eroica.it/documenti/0406%...-%20Bottai.pdf

Notable for the use of the "Thomas" name which I usually associate with early Tommasini imports to the US, but apparently with an Italian owner. If it's genuinely a '72 it's the earliest Tommasini-branded bike I've seen (not saying there weren't earlier ones). I've noticed that some of the dates given for the bikes in that list seem hinky.
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I really like these two.

Umberto Dei. Its just classic, no?
http://www.eroica.it/documenti/0025%...%20Fioresi.pdf
and this Montelatici, not very many of these ever reached the US.
CdM, were you involved with the ones that came across CR list a few years back?
http://www.eroica.it/documenti/0338%...-%20Neroni.pdf

Some day I really need to ride L'Eroica, but then I need to find a) a suitable bike
and b) the legs to carry me the 100km or more!

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Well that settles it... I'm not getting any work done today.
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Aaahhhhhhrrrrgggghhhhh, phone browser impaired and can't see the pics. Bummer.

Two requests:

Request 1: would it be possible to imagelink the pics, please?????

Request 2: I found the following portion of the L'Eroica rules on some site I googled up, would someone be able to translate this text into more understandable terms?
---begin quote---
All riders must be at the starting line only with historical bikes. It means road race bikes built before 1987, with switch lever on the oblique loom tube, toe clips and belts, external brake wires.
---end quote---

What exactly is an oblique loom tube?

I now have the strong desire to build up a bike suitable for entry into the L'Eroica and have the drive to one day ride the ride and of course aim for the 200k route. I don't know if I should curse the OP or thank the OP for starting this thread, but somehow I think both would be appropriate.
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What exactly is an oblique loom tube?
It allows you to shift while weaving.
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they are probably talking about down tube shifters.
now I can point out the "oblique loom tube switch levers" on my commuter!
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Look what I found:
http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/news/article/mps/uan/2685

Enjoy.
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I found the following portion of the L'Eroica rules on some site I googled up, would someone be able to translate this text into more understandable terms?
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All riders must be at the starting line only with historical bikes. It means road race bikes built before 1987, with switch lever on the oblique loom tube, toe clips and belts, external brake wires.
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What exactly is an oblique loom tube?
Tubo obliquo del telaio

Tubo = Tube
Obliquo = oblique meaning between perpendiclar and parallel (in this case down tube)
Telaio = frame in bicycle parlance or loom in weaving parlance

They mean to say: Only riders of vintage bikes are admitted. Road bikes built before 1987, with down tube shifters, toe clips and straps and non-aero routing of the brake cables.
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The best pictures I have seen to date of pre-war Frejus are grainy B&Ws. Then there is this one, http://www.eroica.it/documenti/0445%...0-%20Viola.pdf

Except it doesn't have typical Frejus characteristics. But then again, the only photos I have seen with those characteristics are post-war.

The only thing that makes me believe this is a random frame with a Frejus headbadge is that it is restored (anything can happen) and the seatpost binding bolt is forward of the seatpost. Even in my grainy pre-war pictures I can see the binding bolt is behind the seatpost. But then again, there could have been a few options back in the day.

Any other opinions?
I sold a 1935 Frejus in original state about 6 years ago to a big-time Frejus collector. Many had the seat bolt in front like in the photo. Bianchi also did the flip flop with front and rear clamping bolt.

For more interesting photos check this out: http://www.giannibertoli.it/C30001.html
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...Montelatici, not very many of these ever reached the US.
CdM, were you involved with the ones that came across CR list a few years back?
http://www.eroica.it/documenti/0338%...-%20Neroni.pdf
I had nothing to do with any of the Montelatici bikes. I believe they were all sold by Matteo Brandi.
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as mentioned in my holy grail post:

1957 Cinelli: chrome lugs, fork and chainstay



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jewelry! thanx for this great links! love this bikes, pre 60's wow!! SEXY BIKES!!!!

Love the vintage clothing they use to ride!
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Ok I went through about 1/3 of the bikes, and this one caught my attention because of its "artisanal" shifter:

http://www.eroica.it/documenti/0161%...0Cavazzuti.pdf

thanks for the link! It's a museum...
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What about the great Pogliaghi and Mario Confente ?

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I have recently been spending some time looking at the many drool-worthy bikes that are listed in the Eroica Register. All of these bikes were registered by their owners (there is a fee to have your bike registered) and were then "judged" as to their state and period correctness. The official listing can be reached here: http://www.eroica.it/elencobici.php

Bianchi and Legnano are obviously the most common given that they WERE the Italian bicycle rivalry for decades, especially the pre-1960 period that is celebrated by l'Eroica ride. Then followed by Colnagos (15 bikes, a number of which brought by foreigners), then another group of builders from the Heroic period prior to 1960 such as Atala (9 bikes), Frejus (8 bikes), Bartali (7 bikes), Ganna (7 bikes) and Wilier (7 bikes). All of the preceding are what one must consider to be products of large-scale industrial production. Some of you might want to exclude Colnago from the industrial production category, but in my eyes when you are producing more than 20K frames in one year, which Colnago hit in it best years, that is industrial production. It is after this group that you see some surprises and the appearance of the true boutique builders of the modern, post-eroica period makers. There are 6 Masi bikes (3 of which were brought over by Americans) 5 Marastoni bikes (out of a total production of perhaps 3-4000 bikes in 50 plus years of production!), 4 pre-Mexican production Benotto bikes, 4 Cinelli's, 4 Pinarello's (perhaps not fairly considered a boutique builder given their production totals), 4 Gavel bikes (I bet none of you have ever heard of them! They are a brand that is local to the ride area and are not normally considered collectible) 3 Patelli bikes (you don't hear his name mentioned much in the US), 3 Gios bikes and 2 De Rosa's. I believe the presence of the multiple Marastoni's, the early Benotto's and the Patelli's give a strong indication of how well they are respected in Italy, even if virtually unknown here in the US.

One of my favorites is this B.S.A.: http://www.eroica.it/documenti/0245%...0Girardini.pdf

Any others wanting to point out their favorites?
Yes what about the great Pogliaghi and Mario Confente
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My personal favourite maker is Pogliaghi and i greatly admire the master Mario Confente
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@biciklet22, Welcome to the forum.

Unfortunately, you've bumped a 7-year-old thread on the topic of bikes presented for judging at a special vintage event in Italy. Yes, I agree Pogliaghi and Confente are both great, but it's a little out of context with respect to the topic of this thread. Plus, all the links in the thread are now dead.

How about starting a new thread showing off your bike(s)?
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