Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 08-21-09, 04:58 PM   #1
thenomad
Riding like its 1990
Thread Starter
 
thenomad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: IE, SoCal
Bikes:
Posts: 3,756
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Schwinn Le Tour II

So I picked up this bike for a good price and am about to break it down for a deep clean and bring it up to snuff.

Anything I should know about it? Special tools?

(I think 1977) All original Le Tour II, Serial #3206 (320th day of 1976?)
27" Steel rims
Weinmann centerpulls
Stem shifter
Old style seatpost.
5sp


I read it is not the highest or most desirable and not the lightest.
Any upsides to being a Japanese built Schwinn?


Looks to be sun faded on the clearcoat some.
Any advice on bringing the paint back? Lightly sand off the clear and (diy) reshoot it with clear? Leave it as is for "patina"?
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 019.jpg (96.6 KB, 76 views)

Last edited by thenomad; 08-21-09 at 06:37 PM.
thenomad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-09, 06:21 PM   #2
thenomad
Riding like its 1990
Thread Starter
 
thenomad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: IE, SoCal
Bikes:
Posts: 3,756
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
More pics, untouched.
I removed a sticker that was on the "Made in Japan" area. Would be nice to have the whole thing looking like that.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 015.JPG (97.1 KB, 33 views)
File Type: jpg 016.jpg (48.7 KB, 24 views)
File Type: jpg 017.JPG (82.4 KB, 36 views)
File Type: jpg 018.JPG (79.4 KB, 18 views)
File Type: jpg 020.JPG (94.0 KB, 19 views)
thenomad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-09, 06:30 PM   #3
thenomad
Riding like its 1990
Thread Starter
 
thenomad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: IE, SoCal
Bikes:
Posts: 3,756
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
I'm considering resto and sell, or resto/SS and sell.

What do folks think about the "potential" interest in this average bike?
thenomad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-09, 06:39 PM   #4
rhenning
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 2,499
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 21 Post(s)
You will lose money if you restore and sell. To make the most clean it up and make ride well and sell it. SS will destroy what long term value it would have as a collectable bike. LeTours are not that uncommon of a bike. Roger
rhenning is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-09, 06:58 PM   #5
wrk101
DRF aka Thrifty Bill
 
wrk101's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: The NC Mountains
Bikes: 86 Katakura Silk, 87 Prologue, 87 Cimarron, 14 frame school custom, 73 Paramount
Posts: 19,976
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10 Post(s)
If you bought the bike right (cheap), I disagree, you should be able to make a nice return on it.


On the paint, I use polishing compound, you can buy it at Walmart in the auto section pretty cheap. It will bring out the color nicely.

I think polished up the bike will be looking good!

If you have some donor alloy wheels around, you might consider upgrading it. I did that with a similar era and quality Traveler. People were knocking down my door to get it. So you could be pleasantly surprised by the interest. I also have sold three EF Schwinns in the last month with steel rims, and the response was good as well.

So for the three EF Schwinns and the old Traveler, I was able to maintain/exceed my standard minimum target margin.

IMHO, the profit on the flip is made on the initial acquisition. Pay too much, or miss some fatal flaw, and you just bought a donor. Then manage the spending carefully, but do a nice refurb, and market it well.

To me on the refurb, you are fortunate to get a Japanese Schwinn. It will have pretty standard parts and bits vs the lower end US Schwinns.

Last edited by wrk101; 08-21-09 at 07:11 PM.
wrk101 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-09, 08:17 PM   #6
stringbreaker
stringbreaker
 
stringbreaker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: wa. State
Bikes: specialized crossroads hybrid 2006 Raleigh Cadent 2 1971 Schwinn Varsity, 1972 Schwinn Continental, 1977 Schwinn Volare (frame)
Posts: 4,443
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Get som Mcquiars (sp) scratch x and use on it you will be amazed how the paint will come back. Put a good coat of wax on it and it should be good. It will never be pristine but it should be pretty nice. You can look into powdercoat, its a LOT cheaper than a pro paint job, not as beautiful but if done right most people don't know the difference and a lot of powdercoat outfits can do a two step coat. I had my wife's mixte done with a green base and gold topcoat and is absolutely brilliant in the sun. I had it done for just a shade under $100.00
__________________
(Life is too short to play crappy guitars) 2006 Raleigh Cadent 3.0, 1977 Schwinn Volare, 2010 Windsor tourist. ( I didn't fall , I attacked the floor)
stringbreaker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-09, 10:15 PM   #7
thenomad
Riding like its 1990
Thread Starter
 
thenomad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: IE, SoCal
Bikes:
Posts: 3,756
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
I've got some auto paint steps I usually do so I'll try that first. In the pics the damage you see is the clearcoat, not dust or something.

I think the condition of the components is good enough that a nice chrome polish will make them sparkle. No scrapes or gouges on anything and all rubber caps look nice.

I do have a set of alloy wheels from my '86 but they are really nice, not sure they'd be worth handing over in a sale of a 1977. I may look for some alloy 700c to put on it but may polish up the steel rims and high flange hubs. Not sure if the increase in profit would be worth the expense.

I'll see how fun the center pull brakes are to refurb, never done them before.

Last edited by thenomad; 09-06-09 at 03:25 PM.
thenomad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-09, 10:58 PM   #8
Jeff Wills
Insane Bicycle Mechanic
 
Jeff Wills's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: other Vancouver
Bikes:
Posts: 7,972
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenomad View Post
More pics, untouched.
I removed a sticker that was on the "Made in Japan" area. Would be nice to have the whole thing looking like that.
The old Schwinn pearlescent paint faded when it was left in the sun. The only way you're going to "bring it back" is to repaint it. It's a darn shame- Pearlescent orange is my favorite color in the Schwinn palette... probably because my Le Tour III was that color.

Quick-Glo is the product we used to sell to remove light rust from chrome and polish it up. You can still find it in some bike shops.

Powdercoat is a good way to go. Here's a good story on how it's done:
__________________
Jeff Wills

Comcast nuked my web page. It will return soon..
Jeff Wills is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-09, 11:08 PM   #9
thenomad
Riding like its 1990
Thread Starter
 
thenomad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: IE, SoCal
Bikes:
Posts: 3,756
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Darn, hope it'll at least look a little better but yeah, probably faded way out.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 013.JPG (71.7 KB, 22 views)
thenomad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-09, 06:23 AM   #10
pastorbobnlnh 
Freewheel Medic
 
pastorbobnlnh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Ascending or Descending the NH Mountains NW of Concord!
Bikes: Snazzy* Schwinns, Classy Cannondales, & a Lonely '83 Santana Tandem (* Ed.)
Posts: 10,260
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10 Post(s)
Your paint looks like it has possibilities and like Jeff Willis said, that shade was used on very few Schwinns. Try first using Maguires Scratch X, folled by their 3 step cleaner, polish and wax. It should really shine when you are finished.
__________________
Bob
Dreaming about riding in NH's summertime!

Visit my websites:
FreeWheelSpa.com orpastorbobnlnh.com
pastorbobnlnh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-09, 11:01 AM   #11
Jeff Wills
Insane Bicycle Mechanic
 
Jeff Wills's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: other Vancouver
Bikes:
Posts: 7,972
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by pastorbobnlnh View Post
Your paint looks like it has possibilities and like Jeff Willis said, that shade was used on very few Schwinns. Try first using Maguires Scratch X, folled by their 3 step cleaner, polish and wax. It should really shine when you are finished.
I don't know- he describes the paint as faded. And since he's from the Inland Empire of Southern California (I think), he lives in your basic desert.

I love the old Pearl Orange... but I've seen more than one extremely faded.
__________________
Jeff Wills

Comcast nuked my web page. It will return soon..
Jeff Wills is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-09, 11:34 AM   #12
thenomad
Riding like its 1990
Thread Starter
 
thenomad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: IE, SoCal
Bikes:
Posts: 3,756
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
yeah, it's desert sun blasted. I just broke the bike down except for the cranks. I think everything will clean up really nice with some elbow grease. It gives me a nice project to work on so I don't mind the time.

The brake lever releases were anodized orange but have been faded back to perfect silver.

If it's done for then I may look for a decal set and consider a paint. It could be good practice.
thenomad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-09, 12:12 PM   #13
wrk101
DRF aka Thrifty Bill
 
wrk101's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: The NC Mountains
Bikes: 86 Katakura Silk, 87 Prologue, 87 Cimarron, 14 frame school custom, 73 Paramount
Posts: 19,976
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10 Post(s)
IMHO, you will not get a return on a repaint, even a rattle can paint. Shine it up as others recommended. As far as a return on upgrading the wheels, only if you get the wheels really cheap (like a $10 donor set). Otherwise, I would clean up the steel rims and call it good.

You really need to work your way up the ladder on quality before a repaint is cost effective. Now if it is a keeper, a repaint may just be a good idea.
wrk101 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-09, 12:38 PM   #14
thenomad
Riding like its 1990
Thread Starter
 
thenomad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: IE, SoCal
Bikes:
Posts: 3,756
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Yeah, so true.

I kept the first decent frame I had come across since it was nice. I'll make sure to keep my focus on this one as "it is what it is" so no need to go overboard.
thenomad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-09, 01:47 PM   #15
thenomad
Riding like its 1990
Thread Starter
 
thenomad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: IE, SoCal
Bikes:
Posts: 3,756
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Components are cleaning up nicely, will take some Nev-r-dull to them today.

I LOVE Cali bikes, rust free goodness. Both sides of the BB came off nicely, no fighting required, no rust on the frame or in the tubes.
thenomad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-06-09, 03:28 PM   #16
thenomad
Riding like its 1990
Thread Starter
 
thenomad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: IE, SoCal
Bikes:
Posts: 3,756
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
So here's the finished and polished product, I'll post a new thread in appraisals for the cost.

True to suggestions, the topcoat is faded but I was unable to get s lot of it off so there is still a "sunburn look" to it.
Either way, it shined up ok and with new cables and housings and grease it is a fine old bike with added "patina".

I need to find black bar tape and it'll be done.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 001.jpg (97.2 KB, 38 views)
File Type: jpg 016.jpg (97.9 KB, 30 views)
File Type: jpg 017.jpg (99.6 KB, 39 views)

Last edited by thenomad; 09-06-09 at 03:37 PM.
thenomad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-06-09, 03:36 PM   #17
ilikebikes
K2ProFlex baby!
 
ilikebikes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: My response would have been something along the lines of: "Does your bike have computer controlled suspension? Then shut your piehole, this baby is from the future!"
Bikes: to many to list
Posts: 6,087
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Uh, no pics here.
__________________
You see, their morals, their code...it's a bad joke, dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these...These "civilized" people...they'll eat each other. See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve
ilikebikes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-06-09, 04:06 PM   #18
thenomad
Riding like its 1990
Thread Starter
 
thenomad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: IE, SoCal
Bikes:
Posts: 3,756
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
and more
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 025.jpg (97.1 KB, 23 views)
File Type: jpg 034.jpg (89.0 KB, 26 views)
File Type: jpg 004.jpg (92.6 KB, 18 views)
File Type: jpg 002.jpg (94.9 KB, 22 views)
File Type: jpg 044.jpg (91.5 KB, 20 views)
thenomad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-06-09, 05:22 PM   #19
thenomad
Riding like its 1990
Thread Starter
 
thenomad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: IE, SoCal
Bikes:
Posts: 3,756
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Breakdown was easy, no broken or frozen bolts.
Lots of nuts and bolts though. Had to break out my car tools.
Centerpulls are harder to set up than sidepulls, but not too bad.
Loose ball bearings and all the races looked great. Nearly lost a few down the driveway though, my fault for being careless.
thenomad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-06-09, 05:46 PM   #20
illwafer
)) <> ((
 
illwafer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: San Diego, CA
Bikes:
Posts: 2,398
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
i think it looks great, and i would never repaint it unless it was necessary because of rust. i think it only gets more beautiful with age (and sun).
illwafer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-06-09, 06:04 PM   #21
thenomad
Riding like its 1990
Thread Starter
 
thenomad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: IE, SoCal
Bikes:
Posts: 3,756
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
I totally agree, that's why I just gave it some loving and left the paint.

I hope it goes to a good home.
thenomad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-09, 05:20 PM   #22
thenomad
Riding like its 1990
Thread Starter
 
thenomad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: IE, SoCal
Bikes:
Posts: 3,756
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Sold easily for $140 after one day of listing. Probably to be used for fixed or SS, not sure.
Glad I could provide a sweet running bike and keeping the love of old steel alive.
thenomad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-09, 07:27 AM   #23
Grim
Senior Member
 
Grim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Atlanta
Bikes: Cannondale T700s and a few others
Posts: 2,993
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
I picked up a Super LeTour 12.2 last week. I was noticing a few differences between the Le Tour and the Super Letour. I was trying to find the catalog for the year online to see the specs but no luck. The lightweight data book is incomplete or the site has a problem. http://www.geocities.com/sldatabook/publications.html
Have you found any other sites with the catalogs?


Some of the things I noticed from your photo's. The Super has Japan built frame with investment cast lugs and the cranks are a different style LeTour. The RD on the II looks like the 600 on mine just a different logo. Same with the FD having a Le Tour Logo where mine is Shimano 60. The Super has Shimano hubs with Araya non hooked rims. Diacompe side pulls and levers. Brakes work surprising well.

I wonder if they weighed that much different?

Nice clean up. Shame the paint wasn't better but it is still better then all the chips in the one I have. Looks like They laid a white base and the Strawberry red was a bit translucent so the white made it pop. Unfortunately the top coat is very easily scratched.

The rack, mirror and lights have since been removed. The Speedo is noisy so it is going as well. Probably Ebay off those parts. Good for somebody looking for display parts.
May ride this one for a little while. Just threw a set of tires on it last night after cleaning up the rims. Should have the rest serviced tomorrow after the free hub tool I needed comes in. It is in good mechanical condition and the grease was still good in the front hub. It was taken care of it looks like.

Last edited by Grim; 09-09-09 at 07:35 AM.
Grim is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:13 PM.