The Modern 3-Speed?
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The Modern 3-Speed?
Do any modern companies make a 3-speed bike in the old style? (Steel, horizontal top tube, etc)
Because I'd sure like a cool english 3-speed. But most of the old ones I've seen are either thrashed, ladies frames, or waaay too expensive. (There's a Raleigh Superbe in mint condition on eBay right now, it's ridiculously wonderful but it's also $600.)
So... any modern makers? Or are the options there limited to either 3-speed beach cruisers or custom framebuilding?
Because I'd sure like a cool english 3-speed. But most of the old ones I've seen are either thrashed, ladies frames, or waaay too expensive. (There's a Raleigh Superbe in mint condition on eBay right now, it's ridiculously wonderful but it's also $600.)
So... any modern makers? Or are the options there limited to either 3-speed beach cruisers or custom framebuilding?
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Older one's are easy and fun to restore. I was in the same dilemma as you: Looking for a new bike like my good, old Raleigh Sport. And yep - there were none to be had for under about $600.
I also had my nose to the CL, and was ready to give up. Then I saw an ad for a used PUCH 3-speed. I nearly dropped over dead! I'm quite glad I waited. to find that CL for the PUCH. Instead of kicking myself and plunking down $600.
I also had my nose to the CL, and was ready to give up. Then I saw an ad for a used PUCH 3-speed. I nearly dropped over dead! I'm quite glad I waited. to find that CL for the PUCH. Instead of kicking myself and plunking down $600.
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Do any modern companies make a 3-speed bike in the old style? (Steel, horizontal top tube, etc)
Because I'd sure like a cool english 3-speed. But most of the old ones I've seen are either thrashed, ladies frames, or waaay too expensive. (There's a Raleigh Superbe in mint condition on eBay right now, it's ridiculously wonderful but it's also $600.)
So... any modern makers? Or are the options there limited to either 3-speed beach cruisers or custom framebuilding?
Because I'd sure like a cool english 3-speed. But most of the old ones I've seen are either thrashed, ladies frames, or waaay too expensive. (There's a Raleigh Superbe in mint condition on eBay right now, it's ridiculously wonderful but it's also $600.)
So... any modern makers? Or are the options there limited to either 3-speed beach cruisers or custom framebuilding?
I had long wanted a Superbe but I live in a Walmart infested part of the world and decent used bikes are hard to come by. There was as thread running in C&V about dream bikes, I posted about wanting a Superbe and a fellow BF member offered me one he had gotten off of CL a couple of weeks earlier for what he had it in it.
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Well, there is Pashely, Gazelle and Bahtavus for new 3 speeds... of course they are not that cheap. Flying Pigeon bikes are supposed to be more affordable but I read mixed reviews.
Those retro Schwinns come in a IGH version for around 300-400 hundred dollars.
Those retro Schwinns come in a IGH version for around 300-400 hundred dollars.
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The trouble with most true 3-speeds is steel rims. And heavy frame. And not-so-nice lugwork. Why not find a serviceable C&V road frame and build your own? Plenty of beautiful examples on the "show us your 3-speed" thread that resurfaces whenever someone dings it.
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+1, you could really come up with something nice.
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I, too, counsel patience.
Good old bikes are cheap.
Crummy new bikes are much more expensive.
You will be happy with the former. Even if you can get the latter, you will still be looking for the former. By Murphy's law, if you go out and buy a new one you will find an old one much sooner (typically as soon as you stop looking for it) but that's not enough reason to buy the old one.
If your patience is truly at an end, I'd recommend building one up yourself before buying an off-the-shelf one. Start with any bike boom era steel frame that fits you, something with horizontal dropouts, and go from there. Fenders of a contrasting color can look very nice.
Good old bikes are cheap.
Crummy new bikes are much more expensive.
You will be happy with the former. Even if you can get the latter, you will still be looking for the former. By Murphy's law, if you go out and buy a new one you will find an old one much sooner (typically as soon as you stop looking for it) but that's not enough reason to buy the old one.
If your patience is truly at an end, I'd recommend building one up yourself before buying an off-the-shelf one. Start with any bike boom era steel frame that fits you, something with horizontal dropouts, and go from there. Fenders of a contrasting color can look very nice.
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Do any modern companies make a 3-speed bike in the old style? (Steel, horizontal top tube, etc)
Because I'd sure like a cool english 3-speed. But most of the old ones I've seen are either thrashed, ladies frames, or waaay too expensive. (There's a Raleigh Superbe in mint condition on eBay right now, it's ridiculously wonderful but it's also $600.)
So... any modern makers? Or are the options there limited to either 3-speed beach cruisers or custom framebuilding?
Because I'd sure like a cool english 3-speed. But most of the old ones I've seen are either thrashed, ladies frames, or waaay too expensive. (There's a Raleigh Superbe in mint condition on eBay right now, it's ridiculously wonderful but it's also $600.)
So... any modern makers? Or are the options there limited to either 3-speed beach cruisers or custom framebuilding?
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The Wilshire and Cykel even have lugged frames.
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Keep watching your Craigslist. I saw a nice man's Raleigh Sport for $50 yesterday, 'course it was Madison WI. Place a "WTB old 3-speed" may work.
Trouble with most new "Roadsters" is the geometry is not laid back enough, and they aren't "conservative" enough, and cheap enough. If you spend $600 on a new bike, might as well spend $500 on an old Superb and get the real thing.
I got one on ebay for $100 including shipping. Just keep looking.
Trouble with most new "Roadsters" is the geometry is not laid back enough, and they aren't "conservative" enough, and cheap enough. If you spend $600 on a new bike, might as well spend $500 on an old Superb and get the real thing.
I got one on ebay for $100 including shipping. Just keep looking.
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However, most of these have an aluminum frame and/or a non-flat top tube, which you said you weren't interested in.
Additionally, and for something lighter and a little more sporty, there are any number of wonderful single speed/fixed gear bikes around today and many of them do have steel frames and horizontal top tubes. It's very straightforward to add a three- or five-speed hub to a SS bike.
HTH,
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It ain't cheap, though. If I won the lottery, I would run out and buy a Pashley Sovereign.
It ain't cheap, though. If I won the lottery, I would run out and buy a Pashley Sovereign.
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I will never understand why people get upset because an old $100 utility bicycle is not built like their new $5000 road bike. As for steel wheels, they perfectly adequate in the speed envelope the bikes were intended for (under 15mph). If you want modern metallurgy, fine lug work, et al, there are plenty of Dutch built versions in the $1500 and up range. However, most of us want the ride and easy maintenance for $75 or so...
Maybe what we need is an American version of the European Slow Riding Society.
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Pashley Roadster 26
It ain't cheap, though. If I won the lottery, I would run out and buy a Pashley Sovereign.
It ain't cheap, though. If I won the lottery, I would run out and buy a Pashley Sovereign.
I suppose then, that it'll be me and my ongoing hunt for the C&V of things. It's for the best, though, I'm sure!
Building up my own could be fun, but then the geometry would be way off, and there'd be no mounts for a chainguard, it'd all be clamp-on. That's not necessarily bad, but, well, you know. Building up a road racing bike as a 3-speed roadster, although it may work wonderfully, .. well. It'd work wonderfully. Yeah. There's that. But the, uh... geometry. Again. Yeah. The geometry.
Keep your eyes peeled for a cheap (but mint condition with all accessories, racks, bags, and dynohub) oldie for me!
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Modern 3-speeds?
Schwinn Coffee 3-speed:
Raleigh Classic Roadster:
Have to look for them and some companies offer to to 8-speed IGH and disc brakes and/or offer the same geometry and look except with a dérailleur system. The 700C wheels and lighter steel frames should make the modern 3-speed bike a pretty fast rolling machine.
On the flip side, find a touring frame (modern or vintage) in the 19" size (48-52cm) and build your own 3-speed if vintage 3-speeds are scarce in your area. Touring frames have similar geometry and wheelbase and have more clearance for fenders and traditional placement for the kickstand. Plus have water bottle cage and rack fittings/braze-ons. The wheels might not be the classic 26x1-3/8" 590 ISO size, but a 35-622 (700C) tire is the same width and gives you the classic look. IME, some parts I want or need are special order and have to wait a long time (my CR-18 rims for instance...more than 3 months...should have bought them online but it was a 'make good' freebie from the LBS).
Schwinn Coffee 3-speed:
Raleigh Classic Roadster:
Have to look for them and some companies offer to to 8-speed IGH and disc brakes and/or offer the same geometry and look except with a dérailleur system. The 700C wheels and lighter steel frames should make the modern 3-speed bike a pretty fast rolling machine.
On the flip side, find a touring frame (modern or vintage) in the 19" size (48-52cm) and build your own 3-speed if vintage 3-speeds are scarce in your area. Touring frames have similar geometry and wheelbase and have more clearance for fenders and traditional placement for the kickstand. Plus have water bottle cage and rack fittings/braze-ons. The wheels might not be the classic 26x1-3/8" 590 ISO size, but a 35-622 (700C) tire is the same width and gives you the classic look. IME, some parts I want or need are special order and have to wait a long time (my CR-18 rims for instance...more than 3 months...should have bought them online but it was a 'make good' freebie from the LBS).
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My Carlton is a '59, so the geometry is pretty slack. It's a very pleasant bike to ride. It's also easier to carry up stairs than an old roadster becuse it weighs half as much as some of them.
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The geometry is everything on these, and even the later Sports don't have what I want.
I bought this one, rough as all get-out, but the ride is like butter. It's seen a little work since this shot, but the geometry is what I'm pointing out.
Look for Hercules, Robin Hood, BSA, Rudge, Humber, and who knows what else.
I bought this one, rough as all get-out, but the ride is like butter. It's seen a little work since this shot, but the geometry is what I'm pointing out.
Look for Hercules, Robin Hood, BSA, Rudge, Humber, and who knows what else.
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I doodled a cartoon 3-speed of awesomeness. I always have a hard time drawing bicycle wheels when I doodle (in school mostly, haha,) so I usually just scribble 'em. Any tips for drawing pictures of bicycles? I sure like to.
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Dave's banjo_mole translation:
I'm killing time this morning. Dear Santa, this is what I want for christmas. This, and a little pencil compass.
I'm killing time this morning. Dear Santa, this is what I want for christmas. This, and a little pencil compass.
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I'm getting there with mine. Still looking for a Dyno hub.
I also have a Robin Hood that's a bit small for me--21" frame. It's been rattle canned black. Missing the chainguard, got a green one thanks to PastorBob. Replaced the shifter and cable. Was searching for a Brooks saddle when I stumbled across the Sports.
Both Craigslist finds, but I suspect the Twin Cities was more of a Raleigh area than other parts of the country.
I also have a Robin Hood that's a bit small for me--21" frame. It's been rattle canned black. Missing the chainguard, got a green one thanks to PastorBob. Replaced the shifter and cable. Was searching for a Brooks saddle when I stumbled across the Sports.
Both Craigslist finds, but I suspect the Twin Cities was more of a Raleigh area than other parts of the country.