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Old 10-25-09, 08:06 PM   #1
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What to do? Love the looks of the old stuff but...

Thinking out loud here: Went for a ride this evening on one of my old steel bikes with original Campy stuff...Older Record/Sr stuff...Looks cool but I also have a older steel bike with newer Campi Ergo/newer brake calipers, wheelset, etc. Man that bike rides really well too. And considerably lighter too. In fact, I by the end of the ride I was ready to retire the toe strap style of pedals for some SPD's....I realize this is kind of talk borders on heresy but does anyone else live in 2 worlds...
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Yes, hence my handle. New bikes make me less tired... uuhh that's about it.

I DO rather like my toestraps on one particular bike. Still a Scary Mary with Clipless.
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Old 10-25-09, 08:21 PM   #3
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I've often toyed with the idea of having a custom lugged steel frameset built for me, with a mix of SRAM Rival and 2007/8 Campagnolo Centaur (crankset). You aren't the only one.

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yeah. I have a real Jones for a panto super record rear derailleur to complete my '78 somec. And I have had a project going on for most of the year scrounging super record 11 junk off of eBay (a lot of people have more money than they can spend, apparently...going from new Super Record to new SRAM red, usually). Still need the crank...anyone got one laying around that they wanna clear out?

I'm holding my breath that the vector power meter comes to market, so that I can get some more vintage time, and real vintage versus new comparisons.
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N+1 is the answer. I have a couple of modern bikes, along with several vintage bikes. I must admit, I enjoy riding a modern brifter bike if I am going on a longer ride.
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Old 10-25-09, 09:58 PM   #6
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I took the pedals off.........

I took the pedals off........and put on some SPD's as I love my Specialized shoes (mtn) that I can walk around in. Checked out some "Modern Classics" on Campy Only site......I think I'm going to do it.......I might even go 9 speed Campy so that brings me to 1999 or so....My wife is glad it is not the pony's at the track or the blondes at the local bar....She knows where I am at all times....And this is cheaper than golf! or mistresses or vintage motorcycles....
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I have one bike with its original Campagnolo NR group still intact and I hardly ride it. I won't change the drivetrain on that because I have a vintage bike with 9 speed Dura Ace/Ultegra. The retro modern bike gets the more saddle time of the road bikes. My "I need another bike like I need a hole in the head, but I really want it" build (De Rosa Primato) with 10 speed Campagnolo should be finished after a few needed parts are purchased this week.

I only ride clipless.
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I only ride modern equipment these days, in fact I didn't even ride my super record bike this year. It just sat. I am a collector of vintage and a rider of modern. I even broke my TA specialties crank original to my 1975 jeunet this month and now I have 2004 centaur cranks on the bike (fixed gear). It just doesn't make sense for regular serious riding 1. for the performance disadvantage and 2. for the potential of breaking/wearing out irreplaceable collectible parts.

Now I do have frames that range from 1971 to 2008, all but one is steel, including lugged steel frames with modern equipment. Riding old steel frames is a lot different than riding old components.
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apparently...going from new Super Record to new SRAM red, usually).
Really? Are you saying Sram red is getting a 2010 re-design?
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I love classic bikes, but there are reasons that modern bikes are made the way they are.
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Old 10-25-09, 10:39 PM   #11
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I spent yesterday afternoon riding my 1955 Raleigh fixed gear that is all steel wit a 531 frame and then rode my modern Trek in the evening which is aluminium, has 24 speeds, and hardly any steel.

They both have their +'s and -'s and I really enjoy having a good number of modern and vintage bikes as it lets me compare things on a daily basis.

My oldest bike was made in 1940...
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Live in two worlds? In a word, yes. Any more, it's the only way I ride.

1967 Paramount with a Ritchey triple crankset and Shimano 9-speed drivetrain with indexed barcons otherwise. Rides great.

1982-ish Ron Cooper, 10-speed Campy triple with brifters. Rides great.

1993 Fuso, 10-speed Campy triple with brifters. Rides great.

For me, lugged steel + modern componentry = the best of all worlds. Modern components just work better, especially brake systems, and especially especially modern brake shoes. Steel frames feel better. Lugged or fillet-brazed steel looks sooooooo good, and, when made by a good frame builder, rides sooooo well. I am very fortunate to have three examples of what good frame builders can do.

And you will have to pry my clipless pedals out my cold dead hands - or off my live smelly feet, which would be significantly worse. Clips and straps and old Detto Pietros, polished top and bottom, look cooler than all get out - but my feet feel much, much better in my SPD's. And I have never fallen over because I forgot to loosen a clipless pedal at that first stop sign or stop light when I got back into town. (And more of you know exactly what I am talking about than will admit it. )
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You're not the only one by a long shot! I have SPDs on my Raleigh Team (Carlton). I do have the campy black pedals, but I rarely put them on.

I have a rival group all set to go and have for 2 months. I'm just waiting for the right frame to mount it to. I really want something SLX or 753.
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Just finished rebuilding a Terry geometry Miyata 512 for a customer. I custom built him a new 105 hub rear wheel. I used his 6 speed sis dt shifters in friction, with a 9 speed sram cassette and 9 speed chain. MAN those cassettes and chains shift smooth, even in friction!

I don't think I'll ever want to go back to freewheels. From now on, almost every geared bike I build will use friction with 8-9 speeds in the rear. Maybe or maybe not a front derailleur. You can make a bike look classic with newer parts, especially wheelgoods if you use silver and choose the right rims.

Finally, I just want to say this right now. No one should ever feel bad replacing the wheels on an old bike. If you have to, find nos stuff to build up, like Cudak888 did recently with some Rigidas. Or get vintage looking new rims, but don't get stuck on wonky old wheels in an effort to keep your bike original. It will only detract from performance.
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The most high tech I have is cantilever brakes and bar end shifters. Oh, and padded bar tape...

I've ridden carbon bikes with sti, etc. I just don't get it. Indexing isn't that big of a deal, I don't like that the brake levers wobble around, and riding behind someone with a rear wheel that has so many gears it appears to almost have a negative dish makes me kinda nervous...

I'll stick with my friction and freewheels, thanks.

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I have just started road biking this year and converted the '89 trek to clipless Keo's 3 months ago and would not go back to using straps.

I have wondered a few times about a modern bike, but honestly, if would be for vanity only since what I have does the job. I would not trade just for weight especially if I continue to ride for conditioning. I figure it takes more calories to burn a heavier bike than a light one.

I admit that I only ride 25-30 miles at a time basically because that is how much time I want to devote to the sport right now and not because I am tired or uncomfortable. I might mention that I do not wear padded bike shorts. The old Avocet seat is firm and fits my sits bones very well.
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I like that krems81, especially the wheel part, the bike you did too.
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I'm still riding my '84 all Campagnolo antique and my wife has a new carbon fibre wonderment with 47,000 speeds and those brake lever shifters. When we're out enjoying the ride, though, the scenery and the birds and the water and the wind and share each other's company and the ham sandwich we brought, its still just one world.

You put your butt on the seat and you spin the pedals. The rest is fluff.
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Thinking out loud here: Went for a ride this evening on one of my old steel bikes with original Campy stuff...Older Record/Sr stuff...Looks cool but I also have a older steel bike with newer Campi Ergo/newer brake calipers, wheelset, etc. Man that bike rides really well too. And considerably lighter too. In fact, I by the end of the ride I was ready to retire the toe strap style of pedals for some SPD's....I realize this is kind of talk borders on heresy but does anyone else live in 2 worlds...
I keep one of each, when I go on a nice easy ride I use the vintage bike with orig parts, when I go on longer rides I use the newer lighter bike. Easy cheesy.
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I HAD an 81 trek that I added Velo Wheels clippless pedals and Shimano 105 rear Derail to (Old 600/ultegra arabesque was shot out). It kept up with the carbon/aluminum crowd and after riding it for 25 yrs, I'd kind of grown into it and I liked it better than my JAMIS that I'd built up all Ultegre & 105 to replace it on club rides (Because they all snickered at my old school trek). Maybe I angered the Gods by making such alterations and thats why it disappeared this summer... I still think it was just a punk tho!
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