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    What pads do my 600 brakes need?

    The pads on my Cilo are hard as rocks, and thus don't work fairly well. The brakeset is the 62xx-series Shimano 600 one, which is kind of the middle generation of 600. What replacement pads will fit in these brakes?

    I can snap a picture of the brakes if necessary, but I'm thinking someone here may know the answer to this already, as these are fairly popular brakes.
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    I have the 6207s, and I've used more modern Ultegras, and now I'm using Campy brake shoes with Koolstop Red pads installed. There's a Koolstop brake shoe you can get, that is complete and just bolts on.

    The original 600 pads and the Ultegra replacements were terrible, BTW. Poor deceleration and a very squishy feeling.

    I tried putting the Koolstop pads for old Campy into the Shimano shoes, and the fit is just not right.

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    Aren't they like these? This is an updated version for older brakes but I think they'd work on my 600 calipers.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Road Fan View Post
    I have the 6207s, and I've used more modern Ultegras, and now I'm using Campy brake shoes with Koolstop Red pads installed. There's a Koolstop brake shoe you can get, that is complete and just bolts on.

    The original 600 pads and the Ultegra replacements were terrible, BTW. Poor deceleration and a very squishy feeling.

    I tried putting the Koolstop pads for old Campy into the Shimano shoes, and the fit is just not right.
    I know what you mean. I had the same problem trying to fit Campy/Weinmann type Kool Stop pads into 600 6207 holders. The pads are too small. I posted a thread asking the same question as here. Someone replied that there was another type Kool Stop pad that would fit. Your probably better off buying the pad/holder combo. You have a lot more options there.
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    The 6207 is the one I've got, too. Do you know what the model name of the Kool Stop pad/holder combo you got is, Road Fan?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiabloScott View Post
    Aren't they like these? This is an updated version for older brakes but I think they'd work on my 600 calipers.



    http://www.excelsports.com/new.asp?p...ajor=1&minor=8
    Those will work, but I highly doubt you'll get them for $3.50 a pair. Plus my experience with Shimano pads is all negative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exit. View Post
    The 6207 is the one I've got, too. Do you know what the model name of the Kool Stop pad/holder combo you got is, Road Fan?
    I guess I wasn't clear. I bought a set of Kool Stop red pads, which are sold for Campy Nuovo Record and Super Record brakes. I installed those into a set of Campy Super Record brake shoes or holders that I have, and put that combo on the 6207s. Bye bye Shimano.

    Harris has an alternative solution, the BRK-10, called Kool-Stop Continental, for $10.95/pair.

    The pads I bought were BRK-22A, four for $23.95. These are the ones that do not fit a Shimano 6207 brake shoe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Road Fan View Post
    Those will work, but I highly doubt you'll get them for $3.50 a pair. Plus my experience with Shimano pads is all negative.
    I'm sure that will work. If I had to do it again; I'd buy, and probably will buy, the updated pad/holder combo. My problem is that I have some salmon Kool Stop pads that I wanted to use except they are slightly narrower and loose in the holder. I'll try to find the thread I started about this where someone advised that there are 2 types of block style Kool Stop pads. One for Campy/Weinmann and another type.

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    Having had an extremely disappointing experience with Shimano pads, I now use and recommend salmon-colored KoolStops exclusively.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John E View Post
    Having had an extremely disappointing experience with Shimano pads, I now use and recommend salmon-colored KoolStops exclusively.
    I would agree, but if you can find holders for them, your a better man then I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John E View Post
    Having had an extremely disappointing experience with Shimano pads, I now use and recommend salmon-colored KoolStops exclusively.
    I like the salmon pads too (they're the favorite of the Portland bike messenger set- those that have brakes), but I found that the salmon pads combined with new Velocity rims created incredible amounts of squeal. This happened on two very different bikes, so it wasn't isolated.

    My solution was to mount the Kool-Stop black pads long enough to polish the rim, then remount the salmon pads.
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    After I resurrected my old 83 road bike with Suntour Superbe (Dia-Compe Campagnolo SR copies really) brakes the LBS I went to recommended a new set of Kool Stop pads and holders. They really didn't fit the Suntour arms and adjusting them was nearly impossible. The braking performance was miserable and both front and back started to squeal horribly. $50+ down the drain.

    I then did what I should have done to begin with - replaced the brakes with Ultegra 6600s that I picked up mint on eBay for $49. I'm still using the Shimano pads (used) and the braking is just fantastic - I've never ridden anything like it (of course I haven't ridden much of anything in the last 25 years).

    There may be better compounds that will improve it further but debating pad compound seems to be moot compared to the difference between older generation and current calipers. I'm not sure if it's absolutely necessary but I did also change my levers for SLR type R600s, since that is the recommended combination for double pivot brakes.

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    Here's that thread I started some time ago about the same subject. I guess you could subject search for it, but it wasn't very long ago when I posted it. Probablys a few pages back.

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    I've been having excellent results with Jagwire pads that look a lot like the Ultegra pads. They come in carbon-look, polished, and are much more reasonable. They can very on eBay from $5/set of 2 to $59.99 for a set of the carbon-look, which seemed to be a scam, I guess.

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