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Old 11-08-09, 01:20 PM   #1
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Trek 412/414?

I don't need this bike. But it's only $40 and it's my size and it's a Trek.
The guy says it has an Ishiwata 022 double butted sticker on it and the serial number is M4G0R(or B)37.
If I'm reading that right, it's a 1980 412 or 414 (all these numbers seem like splitting hairs) made overseas.
I really like the Trek that I have, an 83ish 612 or 613 or 614 (all these numbers seem like splitting hairs). It's an American made 531 bike and a few steps up the ladder from the 412.
But the Japanese made a pretty good low end frame back then.
It's about a 40 minute drive from here so if I go all that way,I may as well bring it back. If I hate it I can always flip it.
The guy says it needs a front derailler and one of the brakes is screwed up.
What do you guys think? Worth the drive?
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Old 11-08-09, 01:29 PM   #2
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Definitely. I've always wanted a classic Trek, even the Japanese ones. That'd be a pretty good bargain, even here in Arkansas, let alone New York.
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Old 11-08-09, 01:34 PM   #3
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JUMP on it, a damn set o' tires cost that much !
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I think not made overseas unless you consider Wisconsin a foreign country...
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Old 11-08-09, 03:43 PM   #5
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It is as non-American as your Reynolds 531 (British origin) bike. Just the tubes were made overseas... Ishiwata 022 is right up there with Reynolds 531 as far as tubing goes. Because of the yen boom in the 80s, Trek went away from Japanese tubes...
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I have flipped two 412s this year. I would be in my car right now picking that bike up.
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Old 11-08-09, 04:39 PM   #7
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Go for it. Fairly early model Trek, although an entry-level model (comparable to other manufacturer's offerings higher up on the totem pole). In good condition, can easily bring $150++ next spring. The Rigida alloy rims, IMHO, are not the strongest for a "keeper" ... but you can probably make $100 on this one if it is in decent shape.
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If you decide against it...I'm in New York (buddy, comrade, pal, amigo ) ... I've got $40, you could send it my way
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Old 11-08-09, 05:10 PM   #9
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For $40 grab it. Worst case, you could sell the frameset or wheels for more than what you paid for the whole bike.
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Go for it. Fairly early model Trek, although an entry-level model (comparable to other manufacturer's offerings higher up on the totem pole).
Nah...

mid level for Trek, mid/upper level compared to the competition like Schwinn, Peugeot, Univega, etc. The entry level Trek (3xx) was about right in the middle for the other guys' lines...
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Old 11-08-09, 07:27 PM   #11
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I didn't need this bike....BUT for $40 who can walk away from an early Trek? In my size?
It does need some work. the paint and decals aren't great and the fork might be a little tweeked (maybe it's just the camera angle) it's so hard to tell I don't think I'm gonna worry about it.
Now here's what the Vintage Trek site says;
"According to the brochures, Trek did not make 41X and 61X bikes or frames during 76, 77, 78, and 79 and also not in 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, or 89. These serial numbers apparently do not follow the year convention used for other Trek models. It is likely these frames, SNs beginning with M or N (Models 41x and 61X), were contracted out, and were given the old serial number form so as not to interfere with the sequential numbers being assigned by Trek in their shop, which began in late 1980."
Now, I'm pretty positive that this is a 1980 model (and my other is an 82) and this doesn't seem effect me but who did they contract these out too? And why do my bikes use the extended serial number pattern rather than the sequential pattern that the rest of the factory went to in 1980 if they were made in the same factory?

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Old 11-08-09, 07:29 PM   #12
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Oh, and it looks like the Rigida rims were replaced with Ukais.
Hey Cycleheimer, how far are you from Spring Valley?
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It also looks like these have Very similar geometry if not identical. It'll be interesting to compare the ride of the 531 bike vs the 022 bike side by side.
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Interesting find. Yeah, geometry looks identical from that view. Fork seemed to be pushed back a bit? I thought my 77/8 504 was also, don't think it is. That bike will clean up nicely!
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Good, glad you grabbed that Trek. If you pass up a Trek 412 for $40 and it's all there, we would have to yell at you, especially since it appears to be your size.
That bike needs some TLC but it's well worth it. You might land up keeping it as a rain bike or just to satisfy the n+1 rule.
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