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Old 11-09-09, 01:21 PM   #1
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Shimano - In Order of quality

Shimano has numerous different levels of components, does anyone know the order of them? From high end to low? Where do they all go (Dura Ace, ultrega, exage, 105, 600, Light action, RSX, and the many others)
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Old 11-09-09, 02:01 PM   #2
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Quality is subjective and doesnt neccesarily have to do with the level of the group. Dont confuse better and quality.....

In general:

Dura Ace
600
105
RX100
RSX/Tiagra-Sora/'Z'-light action/Exage

The problem with the hierarchy comes from the various groups were made. The 'Z'-light action components, in my opinion are better than Tiagra/Sora but they weren'y made at the same time so its difficult to categorize them. There are so many version of Exage as well from models with plastic to full metal versions, that makes it difficult to say 'this is better than that'.

In general it goes like this: aluminum>steel>plastic
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Also, 600 more or less = Ultegra, just made earlier.
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Sante is was between DA and 600 correct?
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Isn't Exage an MTB component gruppo (M5xx, M4xx, M3xx)? The only time I have seen Exage (or Deore for that matter) on a road bike is just the RD coupled with a triple crankset up front in some touring bikes
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Sante is was between DA and 600 correct?
I think that it was co-current with Ultegra and not 600 and was probably about the same level or maybe a notch bellow. The look was indeed different.
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The 600 was renamed 600 Ultegra and then Ultegra about 1997/98, I guess.
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The 600 was renamed 600 Ultegra and then Ultegra about 1997/98, I guess.
Sante was out in 1988/9 by then it was Ultegra 600 and the "600" part was not even mentioned in catalogs very often, like in this example
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what about Exage? Sport LX? Eagle tourney LOL
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What about crane? Was this equal to DA- just the touring version?
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1 Dura-Ace
2 Ultegra
3 105
4 Tiagra
5 Sora
6 Campagnolo






That's a just a joke. Laugh with me people. Well sort of..........
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1 Dura-Ace
2 Ultegra
3 105
4 Tiagra
5 Sora
6 Campagnolo






That's a just a joke. Laugh with me people. Well sort of..........
HA HA! Good one!

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0 Mavic (?)
1 Dura-Ace
2 Ultegra
3 105
4 Tiagra
5 Sora
6 Campagnolo

You can take the rating either way, I guess........

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Actually i prefer this order:
1 C-record
2 Super Record
3 Victory
4. any other 80's Campagnolo
5. nothing
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Sante was out in 1988/9 by then it was Ultegra 600 and the "600" part was not even mentioned in catalogs very often, like in this example
Oops, my mistake.
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what about Exage? Sport LX? Eagle tourney LOL
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Exage was the name given to several OEM groups. The 200 level was Altus-like. The 500EX/CX/LX were basically 105 or Deore LX groups with less polish. I think the Exage 500 groups are the best bang for the buck that Shimano ever marketed.
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What about crane? Was this equal to DA- just the touring version?
Crane morphed into Dura-Ace.
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Exage was the name given to several OEM groups. The 200 level was Altus-like. The 500EX/CX/LX were basically 105 or Deore LX groups with less polish. I think the Exage 500 groups are the best bang for the buck that Shimano ever marketed.
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Crane morphed into Dura-Ace.
A little more completely, the Crane RD was Shimano's first top-drawer, intended-to-compete-with-Campy's-best part. It hit the US in 1973, give or take. The "Crane" name was in keeping with other RD's they sold at the time that had bird-themed names, e.g. the Lark and the Eagle. Shortly thereafter, Shimano started introducing other high-end stuff (cranks, FD's, hubs, brakes), which for whatever reason were called Dura-Ace. By the end of the 1970's, Shimano had changed the name of their high-end RD to Dura-Ace to match the other parts.

Also, the Crane came in both a racing (short-caged) and touring (long-caged) version, called the Crane and Crane GS, respectively.

The first-gen DA/Crane stuff was hitting the market just as I was first gettng interested in cycling. For a high school kid with limited funds, DA/Crane was an amazing and affordable (barely) alternative to Campy Record/Nuovo Record. The stuff worked as well (some bits better, others only a fracton worse), had a finish that wasn't quite up to Campy standards but was head and shoulders better than anyone else, and cost half as much as Campy.

Not only that, but when you bought a Shimano part, there was something extra in the box, usually a tool or two you needed for the part. For example, the first Shimano DA crankset (available in 52/42 "racing" or 52/39 "touring") came with the bottom bracket, the allen wrench for the chainwheel bolts and dust caps, the little wrench to use on the rear of the chainwheel bolts, and a combination crank bolt socket/crank arm remover (I still have mine). The Crane came with the allen wrench needed to mount it. For bang-for-the-buck, it was very hard to beat.
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I've got a page I printed out from somewhere long ago. Duplicates much of what is up above, but here is some of the text from it with some more info.......

1997 Road Groups:

Dura-Ace
Ultegra
105SC
RX-100
RSX


1997 Mountain Groups:

XTR
Deore XT
Deore LX
STX-RC
STX
Alivio
Acera-X
Altus
Tourney


Older groups:

105 -- 6-speed version, became 105SC when 7-speed and dual-pivot brakes added.
200GS -- replaced by Altus
300GS -- replaced by Acera-X
400GS -- replaced by Alivio
500GS -- replaced by STX
600 -- became 600EX when indexing was introduced. 600 Ultegra when 7-speed added. when it became an 8-speed group, the 600 designation still existed, but it was usually referred to as just "Ultegra". With the 1998 model year, 9-speeds came in and the "600" designation was completely dropped from Ultegra.

Deore -- originally an early 1980's touring group. Evolved into Deore XT MTB group. DX and LX spun off later.

Deore DX -- discontinued designation, replaced by LX

Exage -- divided into Exage Country and Exage Trail at one time. First group to feature front indexing. Roughly comparable to Acera-X/Alivio
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Old 11-10-09, 01:43 AM   #22
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Very good work BlankCrows. One correction 600ex &Da ex started before 1980 & well before index shifting.
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There were so many Exage and Nexus models that its almost impossible to give them hierarchy.
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Here's a link to Sheldon's Shimano info. It looks like that's where Blankcrows's clip came from.

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Here's a link to Sheldon's Shimano info. It looks like that's where Blankcrows's clip came from.

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Yup, that has got to be the page where I got that info from. I must have cut and pasted the interesting stuff (to me) to fit onto one printed page. Thanks for jogging my memory.
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