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    Senior Member Coreyk's Avatar
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    '57 Phillips Roadster joins the fold

    I found this old fella on the local Craigslist; after some consultation, my neighbor and fellow Roadster-nut Cyndy decided to go see it. So off we went on Sunday.

    We thought there was a small chance it might be one of those "high patina" TI- India bikes, but no, it has just been oversprayed. The owner, who was a vintage Schwinn/Musclebike/Kustom guy was going to turn it into a Rat-Rod, but thought better when he realized it had bolt-on stays....

    I thought it might be a wartime bike from the blacked-out chrome, but it was Krylon, not Blitzkrieg, that brought this on.
    The S-A SW hub is marked 9 57. It currently doesn't work. We have a good LBS owner who is a Sturmey enthusiast, so I might enlist his help if it's beyond me.

    It needs a bunch of work, but seems surprisingly free of rust. I'll strip the overspray first and we'll see what's underneath. I plan on doing a full oxalic acid job on this one.
    ( as well as the Indian Princess lightweight & ROG Pony folder that are currently in the basement).

    Anyway, here are some "before" pics.



    Frame is 22", which seems unusual for a double-top-tube bike. It has the roadster-standard 28 x 1 1/2 wheels.



    No red paint left on the headbadge before it was rattle-canned, anyway. That will be fun to paint.



    Interesting fork crown. like the one on that yellow pre-war women's roadster that has been posted here, but doesn't show up in the 50s catalogues. I wonder if the later hub is a replacement and the bike really is older?



    Pedals need rebuilding, but the rubbers are okay. Nice and straight shafts, too.




    Definitely a UK Phillips... Bars are only a little scratched up on the left side, and should clean up very nicely indeed.



    The Bottom bracket does concern me a bit. It's missing either the flip-cap or the ball bearing on the top oil port, and doesn't turn freely at all (the chain is also r-u-s-t-y, so no surprise).
    I shot 20 CCs of 20w-50 in there with a syringe just to protect it, and will pull the cranks and bottom bracket this week. Lets hope the bearings, races, and cups are decent.

    Tires are rotten and torn. but are the original John Bull Roadster models. Too bad they're shot- the tread looks great!
    Grips are probably original, too. They are completely perished. Rear reflector is non-original, so I'll need to find a Phillips, Bluemels, Fairylite, or Sturmey-Archer one to re-fit. Anyone have a clue which one is most correct, assuming it actually is a 1957 or 58 model?
    Cotters are not matched, and probably shot.
    All other screws and nuts are original pattern.

    Cyndy the Roadster Nut is ecstatic. This one joins her early 60s PRC "Phoenix" double-tube roadster, and will probably be even more fun to ride.

    CK

    What do y'all think?

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    That should be a fun re-build, as it is almost 100% So all you need is rubber and grease!
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    That should be a fun re-build, as it is almost 100% So all you need is rubber and grease!
    I think so, too!
    She's thinking about a sprung Brooks or V-O saddle in honey and shellacked cork grips unless we can find some original or repro grips of a similar pattern. I've never seen this type before, and they're just about gone; really cracked and shrunk. Saddle is a cheapo donor.

    Oh, and of course a set of Schwalbe Delta Cruisers in cream for both this bike and her Phoenix roadster.

    I do want to get a filler cover on that bottom bracket, as well as on the front hub. Anyone know where I might find such a thing?

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    Birmingham Phillips, complete with "Phillips" chain ring. If you have any good shots of the chain ring, show them off-- the name rings were a nice touch.

    You probably need some reducer/paint stripper to get the Krylon off. It CAN be taken off without much harm to the original paint underneath, but you do have to be careful. My usual method is to use Xylene or Ketone or even a little Acetone and rub with a rag. I check the rag and I check it often, there's just no reason not to. If you're careful, you can preserve that bike's paint.

    That is a great find (you're in the USA I take it? even more so if you are). They pop up in Britain regularly, but here in the US we usually only see post 1960 Raleigh-Phillips.

    That port in the bottom bracket is to add oil. It likely had a small metal snap cap with a hinge on it, but that broke off. It might be possible make a rubber nipple of sometime that could act as a stand-in.
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    Senior Member Coreyk's Avatar
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    Thanks for the tip on the xylene, Sirmike. Neighbor Cyndy's first inclination is a full repaint, but we'll see.
    She wants accurate repo decals if she does. And she put up the $, so...
    Meanwhile, I have to dig out the respirator and the nitrile gloves. Xylene's nasty stuff.

    Yes, I am in the US, in not-particularly-sunny-right-now Santa Cruz, CA. This bike came out of San Jose, CA.
    What's funny is this summer I found a rare full-chaincase 1980 DL-1 on the San Francisco peninsula, shown elsewhere in Southpawboston's '51 DL-1 thread. I seem to have a nose for this, though nothing like some of the East-Coasters.

    (Maybe I should enter lotteries.)

    I wasn't sure about the BB oil port configuration. My wife's Birmingham-era Hercules Sports has a ball-bearing in the oil port, while her 49-50 (Phillips) Indian Princess has the flip-cap. Whichever way, we'll find out and get it sorted.

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    That fork looks like the one used on the Dunelts I have seen.

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    Senior Member Coreyk's Avatar
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    I have a scanned PDF copy of the November 1960 Phillips Cycle Fitments catalog via
    http://www.cyclemuseum.org.uk/ncl/ncl.php

    It shows that fork as being number 777 on page 49, one of two available for 28" wheel roadsters.
    Interesting that the only other bike I've seen it on is another 28" wheeled Phillips roadster, shown here: http://oldbikeblog.blogspot.com/2009...-roadster.html


    CK

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