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Old 12-06-09, 02:15 PM   #1
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Old old Bianchi ... What is it?

What bike is this?

I think I am about to go pick it up etc. It is for sale for very cheap and a really old cool looking Bianchi.

Thx for any input!
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Old 12-06-09, 03:44 PM   #2
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Based upon your pictures I'm going to say late 50s to early 60s for the frame, but I'm going to hold off on the components until I see some closeups. The CP brakes appear to be newer, but the hubs look like old three piece Campy which would be quite a find. Anyway, go and get it and post some detailed pics.
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Only input so far is that it's not a race bike. When you buy it as you SHOULD, you can report. Just some observations. Those are commuter pedals that appear to have reflectors which is SO not '50s, even 60s so much. The crank looks like circa mid-50s Magistroni but it's not, most likely inspired by such. A name would help. The Universal brakes are mid 60s to mid 70s, any Italian bike, including boy racers that needed to hit a price point, very common and not at all '50s. The paint lokks like anything fro 65 to 75, more or less ! I could pickit apart from now 'till when the cows come home....wait..... they're home already. A very COOL bike and NOT their cheapest offering, look at all that bling ! It's a Euro Market bike. For the Continent; Italy, France etc. not US. We got only a few of those.
When you have it on hand; that Frenchy Badge can be anylzed, the tubing can be discovered and other secrets uncovered. I would guess what it costs but I'd only embarrass myself as you're apt to be getting a steal I suppose. Anyway, so much for keeping this post alive.
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Old 12-06-09, 04:28 PM   #4
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I'd buy it just cause it has chromed lugs! as for the parts.. save the hubs scrap/give away the rest. Rebuild with whatever is on hand =super neat ride!
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From what I can see the components point towards 1970s as opposed to 1960s. The brakset appears to be Balillla as opposed to Universal. The front derailleur is definitely Campagnolo and appears to have the reinforcing boss of the Valentino as opposed to the Gran Sport. The rear derailleur appears to be the Valentino Extra. The hubs are the hardest to tell, but they are probably a secondary brand such as Gnutti. Assuming the components are original, and I've identified them correctly, it is no older than 1969.

There's lots of steel there, including the crankset, clincher rims, stem and handlebars. Normally, I'd say this an entry level model, one step up form the bottom of the lightweight line, but it does have an integral derailleur hanger and while it's very hard to tell from the picture, they appear to be stamped as opposed to forged, so my guess is lower lower mid-range. The Italians were well known for making this level very flashy,so don't be fooled by all the chrome. The true indicator of frame level, once you get it, will be the seat post diameter.
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Old 12-06-09, 06:03 PM   #6
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From what I can see the components point towards 1970s as opposed to 1960s. The brakset appears to be Balillla as opposed to Universal. The front derailleur is definitely Campagnolo and appears to have the reinforcing boss of the Valentino as opposed to the Gran Sport. The rear derailleur appears to be the Valentino Extra. The hubs are the hardest to tell, but they are probably a secondary brand such as Gnutti. Assuming the components are original, and I've identified them correctly, it is no older than 1969.

There's lots of steel there, including the crankset, clincher rims, stem and handlebars. Normally, I'd say this an entry level model, one step up form the bottom of the lightweight line, but it does have an integral derailleur hanger and while it's very hard to tell from the picture, they appear to be stamped as opposed to forged, so my guess is lower lower mid-range. The Italians were well known for making this level very flashy,so don't be fooled by all the chrome. The true indicator of frame level, once you get it, will be the seat post diameter.

Thanks everyone for your input, I am on my way to go check it out now, I wanted to get a bike like this, a project, and I think the faded candy apple paint looks cool, although I may have to give it a wood bleach bath to get rid of the rust.

It is for sale for $100. I will post pics if (when) I bring it home etc.
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Old 12-06-09, 06:24 PM   #7
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I would grab it just for the cool frame. Love the chrome lugs. Will need the oxalic acid treatment.
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Old 12-06-09, 07:04 PM   #8
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My 2 cents is that it is from the 60's to no later than 1970. The pedals are not original. Great looking bike.
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Old 12-06-09, 07:18 PM   #9
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This is not a 60's bike. It's a typical low-end 70's Italian bike-boom bike. These tend to use a a lot of "60's ish" parts and styling but should not be confused for actual 60's bikes. The braze-on cable guides on the BB shell are confirmation enough that it's an early 70's bike.
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Old 12-06-09, 08:34 PM   #10
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Agree that it is a lower end bike no earlier than 70's. The schrader valves are curious for a non export Italian bike aren't they? That headbadge doesn't look like any Eduardo Bianchi badge I've seen. Wasn't there a different Bianchi brand?
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That does not look like a Bianchi head badge, does it???

And didn't Bianchis like this use integrated headsets? They do look like Bianchi seat stays, though...
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Correct, AFAIK this is one of the "other" Bianchis, with the Firenze fleur-de-lys in the badge. There's not much info on this make, but it's been mentioned on the CR list before. Looks like a nice stylish beater for a "very cheap" price(I'd offer less than $100)...fun project.
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Correct, AFAIK this is one of the "other" Bianchis, with the Firenze fleur-de-lys in the badge. There's not much info on this make, but it's been mentioned on the CR list before. Looks like a nice stylish beater for a "very cheap" price(I'd offer less than $100)...fun project.
I saw it, I liked the frame because of the cool lugs on it, but it obviously wasn't the Bianchi that I thought it was, so I offered him $50 because most of the parts look like junk (I think the rims are obviously garbage), and the Campy components will need some polishing (but work) but the frame is neat looking, even in it's current rustyfied state, and I was thinking about making a single speed freewheel bike, and figured that this would be neat after getting some of the rust off.

I wonder what it used to look like, neat pin striping on the bike with the pretty (heavy looking) chrome lugs etc. The bike is heavy, weighing in at 32 lbs with all the components on it.

Yes, it does have a Fleur De Lys sticker on the front, but it is missing most of the other stickers, where it presumably had the model and tubing name... here's some pictures. Let me know if you have any other information about this thing, and what you think I should do with it (be nice fellas, I am not an expert here), I will google the acid bath you mentioned.











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Old 12-06-09, 09:58 PM   #14
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Some more pics of the lugwork.











Again, let me know what you think. I bought it for $50, and about $5 in gas to get there.
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you did well, it's a very cool bike. All else has been said. It's not the lowlyest and it's a Bianchi.
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Looked at my '66 or '67 Raleigh Carlton and realized that it has the cable guide and cable stop braze-ons, so the braze-ons don't date it as late as I initially thought. Looks like a nice find to me. Congratulations!
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Giuseppe Bianchi, just so the search engine finds this thread! Gotta love it, I wouldn't change any components... well, maybe aluminum rims... clean (and clearcoat?) the chrome, touch up the decals... and it's a very cool bike.
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