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Old 01-06-10, 09:14 AM   #1
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Did you know bikes don't like chlorine?

Ok, so I had not ridden one of my road bikes in a while and when I took it down the other day I noticed there was a significant amount of rust on it, and what appeared to be corrosion. Even the new Tektro brakes showed signs of rust and corrosion which really ticked me because they're new and they have only gotten wet once. So I'm at my LBS talking to the guys there about the rust I found on my bike and we were speculating on what might have caused it.

"You don't have any pool chemicals or chlorine near the bike do you?'

Of course not, only a dork would do that....

So when I got back home I investigated a little closer and sure enough there was a 25 gallon drum of chlorine tablets stored directly under my pride and joy. WHAT A DORK!

So I'm planning to use the typical tricks to remove rust and polish the shiny bits again but I thought I would ask if anyone has any experience specifically with chlorine induced corrosion and rust.

I got the chemicals out of the work shop and I'm going to wipe down the area where it was previously stored.

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Another thing you want to keep your bike away from is Ozone. It can come from electric motorsfrom HVAC unit fan motors that lives in basements and other areas where many store their stuff like bikes. The ozone will make quick work of rotting out rubber parts from the bike. Had a motorcycle parked in anapartment basement parking structure for a few years and the furnace motor for the building that was in a room next to where I parked produced enough ozone that my tires ended up perished within a year and a half, all cracked mostly aroound the side that faced a vented door where the furnace was in.

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Yep, I had a similar experience with those tablets. In my case no bikes were harmed, but a big cache of vintage Volvo parts have a nice red patina on them...

I've noticed that the professional pool cleaners' trucks usually look like they have one foot in the grave - chlorine and muriatic acid are seriously corrosive!
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Yep, I had a similar experience with those tablets. In my case no bikes were harmed, but a big cache of vintage Volvo parts have a nice red patina on them...

I've noticed that the professional pool cleaners' trucks usually look like they have one foot in the grave - chlorine and muriatic acid are seriously corrosive!

does this stuff affect human skin? or lungs? if so screw the bikes and get that crap out of your home!
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Well... Chlorine is a corrosive gas to humans. I've been exposed to it once and had a hard time breathing for about half an hour. That was at work one time when some chlorine bleach was spilled and a moron I worked with used a liquid absorber to "clean it up", removing the liquid bleach but flooding the area around it with noxious gas.
Not a fun day. I still haven't let that guy down for that, though he claims he did nothing wrong.
Needless to say. Don't let those tablets get wet, except for tossing them in your pool.
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Duh, I did something like that, but it was worse, and should have been obvious to me.I had some HCL stored outside about 10 feet from an old motorcycle.Over time the cycle stored closest to the bottled HCL showed a bit more corrosion.
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As as former CPO (certified pool operator), we always stored our chlorine outside (in waterproof buckets), and our chlorinators were located outside of the enclosed pump house (so gas could not collect inside). The pool testing, subsequent calculations and chemical adjustments were to prevent chlorine from rusting important components like those expensive pumps. Chlorine gas can be very dangerous to humans. You do not want to be around large amounts of the stuff.
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As as former CPO (certified pool operator), we always stored our chlorine outside (in waterproof buckets), and our chlorinators were located outside of the enclosed pump house (so gas could not collect inside). The pool testing, subsequent calculations and chemical adjustments were to prevent chlorine from rusting important components like those expensive pumps. Chlorine gas can be very dangerous to humans. You do not want to be around large amounts of the stuff.


Although you guys don't know it you may have just solved an on going breathing problem I've been having, funny! Thanks! Really, thanks much!
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I guess that this is a bad idea...
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You do not want to be around large amounts of the stuff.
As a former water treatment plant operator, I have to ask is twenty tons at a time considered a large amount?
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As a former water treatment plant operator, I have to ask is twenty tons at a time considered a large amount?
I wouldn't be taking any deep breaths.
I didn't even like opening 80# buckets of the stuff.

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So let me get this straight, not only should I not store chlorine tablets near my bike, I should stop eating them too? Well dang
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I guess that this is a bad idea...
Why do I think that's Jan Heine... Looks like a bike he might have.
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I pulled the pic from the commuter forum. I think they're using a weight below the seat to keep the bike submerged. If they just used a varsity, no additional weight would be needed
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OK I'll ask. How can you have a 25 gallon drum of Chorline tablets and not know it?
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does this stuff affect human skin? or lungs? if so screw the bikes and get that crap out of your home!

Yep, it's bad stuff. In my case, my brother moved a bucket of tablets into our detached shed/workshop, took a while for me to notice
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It depends on how much residual you think you'll need.
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Huh? Jan has better bikes than 98% of the people on this forum...What is it about a crappy comfort bike underwater that say's "Jan"...Please excuse my ignorance but I don't get it.
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I have nothing against Heine. The style of the bike is what I mean. It's got cues that remind me of bikes that he prefers. And I know he's somewhat of an eclectic, it just seemed like something he might do just to do. And obviously on a bike he holds little attachment to.
In fact, I think fairly highly of him, though I know some people think he's an elitist.
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I didn't know Jan liked unicrown forks

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Hydrochloric acid, aka muriatic acid, is made by bubbling chlorine gas through water. If you have chlorine tablets and any humidity, you'll create hydrochloric acid fumes.
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Hydrochloric acid, aka muriatic acid, is made by bubbling chlorine gas through water. If you have chlorine tablets and any humidity, you'll create hydrochloric acid fumes.
... and then I have to put on a PAPR (personal air purifying respirator) and a tychem suit and decon you. I've had to do this to a number of people exposed to chlorine/ hydrochloric acid this past summer. BAD stuff. One person had severe burns to their airway/lungs.
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