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sykerocker 09-29-11 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BigPolishJimmy (Post 13280386)
i can only imagine applying the front brake and seeing your pads go flinging off ahead of you as they shoot out from their carriers.

I've seen it happen. Both to customers . . . . . . and to me, who, being a professional mechanic, was supposed to know better.

mikeybikes 09-30-11 01:14 PM

Here's a wedding gift to my wife and I from my friend Phil:

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6170/...68f24d3d_z.jpg

Had to put a few parts into it, otherwise, it is a great rider.

el_spumante 10-01-11 01:24 PM

I'm brand new to these forums, so please forgive me if this is posted in the wrong category, but I'm looking to buy a vintage English 3 speed (something like a Superbe or a Sports). I will admit that I am brand new to these kinds of bikes, but I just bought my wife a 1973 Raleigh LTD-3 from Craigsist and I have fallen head over heels in love with the old Raleighs, especially after reading about them and looking at the photos of them here (and on Sheldon Brown's website, etc.). I have been trying to find a decent 3 speed in my neck of the woods (Chapel Hill, NC) and I've searched ebay and local garage sales, but so far, no luck (a Superbe I looked at today was in pretty rough shape, including a wheel that I would have had to replace). So, I thought I'd see if anyone here is selling something that might work for me--or if you know someone to put me in touch with. I'm a 5'11" man and average build; I took a 23" Superbe around the block and it felt good, size-wise. I don't mind minor rust, cosmetic blemishes, or bikes that need some work, but I don't want something that's going to cost me an arm and a leg to make rideable. Thanks for any tips!

el_spumante 10-01-11 03:18 PM

Thanks to those who sent me PMs. Apparently, I haven't earned my PM "privilege" yet (need to have 30+ posts, first), so if you PM me without an email address I don't think I can reply to thank you.

On a related subject, any thoughts about this Raleigh Sports on ebay?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-RALE...ht_5501wt_1215

Bidding is now up to $310 (and I'd have to pay something like $100 more to ship it, I'm guessing). What do you think something like this--in what appears to be very good condition--is worth? I know, I know...very subjective. But I appreciate any thoughts.

el_spumante 10-01-11 03:29 PM

While I'm at it, I thought I'd post two other ebay bikes. One is a Phillips (supposedly made by Raleigh) and one is a Sears--any thoughts? I don't know anything about either manufacturer.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...#ht_6809wt_982


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sears-mens-3...#ht_500wt_1215

gbalke 10-01-11 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by el_spumante (Post 13305259)
Thanks to those who sent me PMs. Apparently, I haven't earned my PM "privilege" yet (need to have 30+ posts, first), so if you PM me without an email address I don't think I can reply to thank you.

On a related subject, any thoughts about this Raleigh Sports on ebay?


http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-RALE...ht_5501wt_1215

Bidding is now up to $310 (and I'd have to pay something like $100 more to ship it, I'm guessing). What do you think something like this--in what appears to be very good condition--is worth? I know, I know...very subjective. But I appreciate any thoughts.

Be careful here; 25 bids and only two bidders plus one has no bidding history so he could be a shill. Just my opinion.

gbalke 10-01-11 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by el_spumante (Post 13305286)
While I'm at it, I thought I'd post two other ebay bikes. One is a Phillips (supposedly made by Raleigh) and one is a Sears--any thoughts? I don't know anything about either manufacturer.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...#ht_6809wt_982

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sears-mens-3...#ht_500wt_1215

Of the two, IMHO, the Philips would be the better choice over the Sears. Plus the seller of the Philips has been selling some quality bicycles for some time and his pricing has always seemed to be resonable.

el_spumante 10-01-11 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by gbalke (Post 13305301)
Be careful here; 25 bids and only two bidders plus one has no bidding history so he could be a shill. Just my opinion.

Good point. Could be a scam, for sure. Thanks for looking out!.

el_spumante 10-01-11 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by gbalke (Post 13305318)
Of the two, IMHO, the Philips would be the better choice over the Sears. Plus the seller of the Philips has been selling some quality bicycles for some time and his pricing has always seemed to be resonable.

Thanks for the advice. I like the Phillips, based on aesthetics, and it looks clean enough and the price seems fair (but what do I know?). I'm concerned about the shifter not working. If it's just a shifter cable, that'd be cheap enough to fix, I assume, but what if the problem is in th ehub itself? I wrote the seller to ask for clarification.

gbalke 10-01-11 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by el_spumante (Post 13305353)
Thanks for the advice. I like the Phillips, based on aesthetics, and it looks clean enough and the price seems fair (but what do I know?). I'm concerned about the shifter not working. If it's just a shifter cable, that'd be cheap enough to fix, I assume, but what if the problem is in th ehub itself? I wrote the seller to ask for clarification.

The Strumey Archer 3 speed hubs are pretty much indestructable, and are easy enough to adjust with the right references such as Sheldon Brown's web site such as Retro Raleighs: http://sheldonbrown.com/retroraleighs/ Follow some of the links found there.

I recently restored a Raleigh Twenty folding bike where the previous owner removed the shifting trigger and cable and had grease or durt packed in the opening where the shifting indicator goes. With a little WD-40 to flush out the opening and some patience, I soon had it operating like new.

Replacement cables, if needed, are available from any good bike shop.

el_spumante 10-01-11 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by gbalke (Post 13305379)
The Strumey Archer 3 speed hubs are pretty much indestructable, and are easy enough to adjust with the right references such as Sheldon Brown's web site such as Retro Raleighs: http://sheldonbrown.com/retroraleighs/ Follow some of the links found there.

I recently restored a Raleigh Twenty folding bike where the previous owner removed the shifting trigger and cable and had grease or durt packed in the opening where the shifting indicator goes. With a little WD-40 to flush out the opening and some patience, I soon had it operating like new.

Replacement cables, if needed, are available from any good bike shop.

Thanks! I'll keep an eye on the auction for the Phillips and if I can get it for a reasonable price, I'll go for it.

RaleighBikeGuy 10-01-11 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by el_spumante (Post 13305627)
Thanks! I'll keep an eye on the auction for the Phillips and if I can get it for a reasonable price, I'll go for it.

The Phillips looks beautiful, however it looks to me like a 21" size. The Raleigh you posted was a 23" size. Some people ride both comfortably, but a 21" is definitely too small for me while a 23" is just right.

el_spumante 10-01-11 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RaleighBikeGuy (Post 13305746)
The Phillips looks beautiful, however it looks to me like a 21" size. The Raleigh you posted was a 23" size. Some people ride both comfortably, but a 21" is definitely too small for me while a 23" is just right.

I think you are right. I don't know much about sizing, but this is what the ebay seller posted about the size:

"*DIMENSIONS The stand over height is approx 30 1/4". The distance from the floor to the top of the seat post clamp is approx 30 1/2". The distance from the center of the crank to the top of the seat post clamp is approx 21". The center of the handlebar stem to the center of the seat post is approx 21 1/2". The bike will accommodate most any rider comfortably. The seat height is easy to adjust."

RaleighBikeGuy 10-01-11 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by el_spumante (Post 13306034)
I think you are right. I don't know much about sizing, but this is what the ebay seller posted about the size:

"*DIMENSIONS The stand over height is approx 30 1/4". The distance from the floor to the top of the seat post clamp is approx 30 1/2". The distance from the center of the crank to the top of the seat post clamp is approx 21". The center of the handlebar stem to the center of the seat post is approx 21 1/2". The bike will accommodate most any rider comfortably. The seat height is easy to adjust."

Yes, these bikes were sized according to the seat tube length. The common men's sizes were 21" and 23". The top tubes were the same for both sizes: 22".

noglider 10-02-11 05:19 AM

That green Raleigh is a top-notch specimen.

If you don't get one of these three, use google alerts to help you find another one.

Go to garage sales and estate sales and ask if they have bikes that are not on display. A lot of people don't value these bikes. I got two three speeds for $30 (for the pair!) at an estate sale, and one of them became my pride and joy. Look for my thread entitled 1962 Rudge or something like that.

Ornery 10-02-11 07:32 AM

http://www.ornery.net/2011-07-17/images/DSC03679.jpg
Would this be considered sacrilegious?

Bought this 1969 Sports when I was 13. It's too small for me now, but is my current daily commuter anyway.

Roll-Monroe-Co 10-02-11 08:21 AM

Hey Gary! Any progress on the Humber?

Roll-Monroe-Co 10-02-11 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Ornery (Post 13307224)
http://www.ornery.net/2011-07-17/images/DSC03679.jpg
Would this be considered sacrilegious?

What aspect of this configuration do you suspect might be against the rules?

Love the bags!

gbalke 10-02-11 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Roll-Monroe-Co (Post 13307347)
Hey Gary! Any progress on the Humber?

Eric, I sent you a PM. Don't want to sidestep this post.

And now back to the original post!!

Ornery 10-02-11 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Roll-Monroe-Co (Post 13307352)
What aspect of this configuration do you suspect might be against the rules?

Love the bags!

Most bikes in this thread are kept pretty original. I'm trying to keep mine as original as possible, yet ride electric. I wouldn't have done these modifications to a pristine Sports. As sturdy as these bikes are, the 40lbs of batteries are pushing its limits. Most build tribulations are here.

I'm in the market for some original fenders. My fenders and chain guard were removed by my stupid self forty years ago, and thrown out by my dad a few years later.

Enjoy your beautiful rides, and be proud. They truly don't make 'em like that anymore!

el_spumante 10-02-11 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by RaleighBikeGuy (Post 13306729)
Yes, these bikes were sized according to the seat tube length. The common men's sizes were 21" and 23". The top tubes were the same for both sizes: 22".

Thanks. I haven't ridden a 21", but the 23" I tried the other day felt about right. That's what people have said would be best for my 5'11" height, too, I think.

el_spumante 10-02-11 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by noglider (Post 13306987)
That green Raleigh is a top-notch specimen.

If you don't get one of these three, use google alerts to help you find another one.

Go to garage sales and estate sales and ask if they have bikes that are not on display. A lot of people don't value these bikes. I got two three speeds for $30 (for the pair!) at an estate sale, and one of them became my pride and joy. Look for my thread entitled 1962 Rudge or something like that.

Good advice. I DO like that green Raleigh but at $315 (probably closer to $400 by the time the auction ends) plus another $70+ for shipping, then a tune up at my LBS, I don't know if I can afford it. I'd love to stumble across a cheaper fixer-upper at an estate sale, garage sale, etc., as you suggest. I'll just try to be patient while I sit here drooling over these beautiful bikes--your 1962 Rudge included!

gbalke 10-02-11 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by el_spumante (Post 13307493)
Good advice. I DO like that green Raleigh but at $315 (probably closer to $400 by the time the auction ends) plus another $70+ for shipping, then a tune up at my LBS, I don't know if I can afford it. I'd love to stumble across a cheaper fixer-upper at an estate sale, garage sale, etc., as you suggest. I'll just try to be patient while I sit here drooling over these beautiful bikes--your 1962 Rudge included!

Randy,

If you're feeling adventurous, I have a '74 Coffee Brown 23" frame set with crank in my garage I could let go for a reasonable amount. You could then build up a bike to suit your style or desires for less than the e-Bay Sports. There's plenty of help available here, might even be a C&V member close to you thaat could offer some assistance. If interested, PM me your e-mail address and I'll send some photos your way.

brianinc-ville 10-02-11 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ornery (Post 13307224)
http://www.ornery.net/2011-07-17/images/DSC03679.jpg
Would this be considered sacrilegious?

As long as you keep the meat in one pannier and the dairy in the other, you should be ok. :)

Seriously, though, while it does look a little funny to me, I'm impressed (and confused?) that you somehow managed to make the original chainring work with what appear to be aluminum cranks and a tapered BB spindle. Is it somehow bolted to the chainring from the power assist?

Ornery 10-02-11 05:13 PM

Is it somehow bolted to the chainring from the power assist?

Exactly. It's the only thing salvaged from the original bottom bracket, which was replaced by a trick freewheel, cranks and spindle from Sick Bike Parts. All the grueling details are outlined in links in this thread.

http://www.ornery.net/images/DSC03263a.jpg
Early Iteration


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