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GordoTrek 03-03-14 01:56 PM

yeah it can be toxic, but i used a very diluted mixture and it worked out nicely

krtchp19 03-04-14 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 16500301)
Thought you would all appreciate this...

We had a very nice fellow come into the co-op yesterday and he was there to donate the contents of his old bike shop which he closed down more than 20 years ago and ran for decades before that... he said he was 86 and was winding things down and clearing up some stuff.

There was lots of interesting 80's stuff like anodized BMX parts, saddles, and things like cloth tape and other goodies but he had tons of old CCM parts and spokes still in their factory wrappers and boxes and said this was just the tip of the iceberg.

We talked for a good long while and he looked over some of the old CCM's we have been working on and he said, "I don't suppose anyone works on Sturmey Archer hubs anymore"... and our conversation went on and on after that as we both have a deep appreciation for these things. We agreed that the forged CCm one piece cranks are nigh indestructible and he has a bunch of those too.

Will be connecting again to look over other things he has that he could not move himself like parts cabinets and counters... and he said he has all kinds of SA stuff and parts that he did not think anyone would want.

My friend has his own CCM museum and might like a CCM parts cabinet and more documentation.

that's awesome, i wish I could find a Sturmy Archer FM or FW and a 4 speed thumb shifter. I don't know any LBS in chicago that work on SA anything

Sixty Fiver 03-04-14 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by krtchp19 (Post 16546454)
that's awesome, i wish I could find a Sturmy Archer FM or FW and a 4 speed thumb shifter. I don't know any LBS in chicago that work on SA anything

The 4 speed stuff is pretty hard to find... my other Moulton came with a 4 speed hub (28 spoke) but I gave that to my friend, my Moulton runs a modern 7 speed Shimano.

From a practical point of view the modern SA 5 speed is the way to go as then you won't have worries about parts and it has a nice gear range.

krtchp19 03-04-14 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Jawihan (Post 16499990)
Aaron, Is there a front rack under that basket and if so, what type is it? It appears to fasten to the axle. I presume the basket is a Wald.
I have the same rear baskets on my Sports and I would like to add one on the front similar to yours.
Thanks
James

I have a similar rear rack/basket that came originally on my 54 Hercules Tourist and a front rack I removed from my amf Hercules that have just been sitting for a while trying to figure out what to do with them.

krtchp19 03-04-14 03:32 AM

If you're just replacing the tubes and not the tires then any "26 x 1 3/8" tube will work if you're replacing the actual tires then just remember 37-590 when speaking to the bike shop person. some bike shops that have been around for a while stock some but they are usually not the best. I use schwalbe delta cruisers in cream for some of my english 3 speeds.
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Originally Posted by Commando (Post 16519092)
I haven't found a bike shop yet that had 26x1 3/8 on the shelf, so it's always been a bit of a guess what would fit best. Most bike shops around town (Adelaide, Aus) pretty much cater for modern bikes only.


krtchp19 03-04-14 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by werwer2012 (Post 16544014)
What do you thin I should do with the chain guard. It looks pretty crappy.

white vinegar! clean it up don't repaint, just my opinion, it's your bike.

krtchp19 03-04-14 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 16546457)
The 4 speed stuff is pretty hard to find... my other Moulton came with a 4 speed hub (28 spoke) but I gave that to my friend, my Moulton runs a modern 7 speed Shimano.

From a practical point of view the modern SA 5 speed is the way to go as then you won't have worries about parts and it has a nice gear range.

I agree with you but the look of the new hub doesn't go with what I want to do. I know where to find one but am not looking to pay an arm and a leg for it.

Sixty Fiver 03-04-14 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by krtchp19 (Post 16546483)
I agree with you but the look of the new hub doesn't go with what I want to do. I know where to find one but am not looking to pay an arm and a leg for it.

I know a few people that might be able to help with this... will send them an email and see if they have any unwanted 4 speed hubs / shifters.

krtchp19 03-04-14 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by bwilli88 (Post 16220881)
I have another thread about converting a Raleigh Grand Prix from 10 speed to to a 3 speed AW rear. Thread here

My questions are
1. So I have decided to go with a 48t 170mm crank. I would like to stay with a square taper spindle and light weight, any good suggestions for one.

2. What are some good light drop bar brake levers that would allow routing the cables under the bar wrap.

3. Has anyone swapped to just a 3 speed and coaster brake and gotten rid of rim brakes altogether?

Additional question can I run the shifter cable thru the existing noodle for the RD cable now.
Here is the bike

http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...8&d=1383124391

some inspiration for you

krtchp19 03-04-14 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 16546486)
I know a few people that might be able to help with this... will send them an email and see if they have any unwanted 4 speed hubs / shifters.

That would be awesome and thanks.

Commando 03-04-14 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by krtchp19 (Post 16546463)
If you're just replacing the tubes and not the tires then any "26 x 1 3/8" tube will work if you're replacing the actual tires then just remember 37-590 when speaking to the bike shop person. some bike shops that have been around for a while stock some but they are usually not the best. I use schwalbe delta cruisers in cream for some of my english 3 speeds.

Thanks. As luck would have it, a few days after posting this question I checked out a bike shop I hadn't been to before and they had one on the shelf. It was obvious it had been on the shelf a long time and they only had a thorn proof tube, which was good for me anyway. They don't plan on carrying them.
Looks like I'll be getting mine online from now on. Which a couple more English 3 speed bike projects coming up, I'll be needing a few.

GordoTrek 03-04-14 09:32 AM

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here are some pics of my junked DL-1 I rescued.. the chrome is amazing considering the age, and the condition of the saddle, its a 67, and the best part about the whole thing? both cotter pins came out!! :thumb: can't wait to get started on this one!!

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krtchp19 03-04-14 12:41 PM

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here are some pics of my junked DL-1 I rescued.. the chrome is amazing considering the age, and the condition of the saddle, its a 67, and the best part about the whole thing? both cotter pins came out!! :thumb: can't wait to get started on this one!!

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=367110http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=367111http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=367112http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=367113http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=367114http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=367115http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=367116http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=367117http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=367118http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=367119http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=367120

I know a place selling some handlebars for that for 35 bucks. I got my second DL-1 this past summer so i could have a his and hers. Am going to start working on it soonhttp://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=367148http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=367149

krtchp19 03-04-14 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Commando (Post 16546705)
Thanks. As luck would have it, a few days after posting this question I checked out a bike shop I hadn't been to before and they had one on the shelf. It was obvious it had been on the shelf a long time and they only had a thorn proof tube, which was good for me anyway. They don't plan on carrying them.
Looks like I'll be getting mine online from now on. Which a couple more English 3 speed bike projects coming up, I'll be needing a few.

maybe it's time to find a new shop! There are modern bikes that still use 26 x 1 38 tubes and tires. We have more options in Chicago as there are shops that carry city bikes. any old schwinn shop that's been around a while or a shop that will carry english or italian city bikes (Pashley, ABICI, and so on) is a good bet.

Howard 03-04-14 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by krtchp19 (Post 16546483)
I agree with you but the look of the new hub doesn't go with what I want to do. I know where to find one but am not looking to pay an arm and a leg for it.

Pretty sure the guts to the modern SA 5 speed will fit in an AW shell, if the look is your sun gear.

krtchp19 03-04-14 06:58 PM

Ill have to investigate more. There are club rides I want to participate in that accept 3 and 4 gears not 5

arex 03-05-14 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by arex (Post 16542633)
I've gotten four different pairs of old Weinmann brakes to try on my Raleigh build, and test-fitting them shows them all to work, give or take. My dumb question du jour is...

I've got two pairs of dual-pivot center-pulls, and two pairs of single-pivot side-pulls. What are the pros and cons of each? I understand that the dual-pivots brake better, but I see people griping about them as being undesirable in some way, so I'm wondering.

Bumping.

I sat down and tore down all the calipers last night, cleaned and lubricated them, so they're all ready to use. Replaced the thin and worn washers between the arms with slightly thicker stainless washers. I have a pair of Weinmann 610 center-pulls, a 610/750 pair of center-pulls (using the 750 in the rear), a pair of 500 side-pulls, and a pair of 730 side-pulls.

I like the aesthetics of the side-pulls, but worry that they won't be grabby enough. I wouldn't mind using the center-pulls, but I'd like to hear any misgivings about them...personally, I don't see a downside to them, but up until now I've only ever worked with cantilever brakes, so my opinion of center-pulls lacks a certain validity.

arex 03-05-14 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by krtchp19 (Post 16548725)
Ill have to investigate more. There are club rides I want to participate in that accept 3 and 4 gears not 5

Nobody needs to know, do they..?

krtchp19 03-05-14 07:04 PM

I'll know... haha

BGBeck 03-05-14 10:03 PM

FWIW Anybody in Southern California: http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv...356830523.html

GordoTrek 03-06-14 08:52 AM

wow thats screaming deal...looks to be in better shape then most.. alot of surface rust that will clean up.. she looks like she's been ridden and enjoyed

noglider 03-06-14 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by arex (Post 16550160)
Bumping.

I sat down and tore down all the calipers last night, cleaned and lubricated them, so they're all ready to use. Replaced the thin and worn washers between the arms with slightly thicker stainless washers. I have a pair of Weinmann 610 center-pulls, a 610/750 pair of center-pulls (using the 750 in the rear), a pair of 500 side-pulls, and a pair of 730 side-pulls.

I like the aesthetics of the side-pulls, but worry that they won't be grabby enough. I wouldn't mind using the center-pulls, but I'd like to hear any misgivings about them...personally, I don't see a downside to them, but up until now I've only ever worked with cantilever brakes, so my opinion of center-pulls lacks a certain validity.

The original side-pulls on 3-speeds are very good. I don't know why you are concerned about their effectiveness. They work very well with Kool Stop pads. They are also easier to set up and more maintenance-free than center-pulls.

arex 03-06-14 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by noglider (Post 16553985)
The original side-pulls on 3-speeds are very good. I don't know why you are concerned about their effectiveness. They work very well with Kool Stop pads. They are also easier to set up and more maintenance-free than center-pulls.

The reason I'm questioning what path I should follow is that in the research I've been doing on the Internet (because, yes, it's so reliable), I've been finding a lot of conflicting information and I haven't been able to filter out the noise and get real-world opinions or answers. "Weinmann center-pulls are spongy", "Weinmann side-pulls are flex-y", "Dual-pivot center-pulls are much stronger than single-pivot side-pulls", "Weinmann 500's are awesome, used by racers during the fifties and sixties", etc. Both types get all sorts of glowing reviews, and an equal amount of trash-talk.

So, with both in hand, I'm trying to figure out which is the best path to follow. I'm asking you guys because you have real-world experience with these things, instead of "internet opinions". I suppose I should learn to try different things to see how they work for myself, but I'm the sort of person that over-analyzes things and starts to lock up when my research doesn't give any definitive answers.

I worry about good braking because I'm no longer light or nimble, but I still weigh less than a speeding car. Ideally, I wanted to use some modern brakes, but both sets of Tektros I tried had tire clearance issues. Someone a while back recommended Weinmanns, so I started down that path.

I do prefer the aesthetics and relative simplicity of side-pulls. What I can do is try the 500's first, and if for some reason I don't like them, I'll still have enough cable and housing to trim back to use with the center-pulls, if it comes to that.

I was going to use Kool Stop pads, regardless, so that may level the playing field, too.

noglider 03-06-14 12:47 PM

arex, my apologies. I asked earlier why you weren't using the original calipers, and I forgot your answer when I wrote my last post.

Actually, single pivot sidepulls do have problems. I consider the Weinmann 500's to be pretty bad. If you want to use your Weinmann center-pulls, it makes sense, and it will probably work out well, provided they fit.

JohnDThompson 03-06-14 01:03 PM

Tektro makes a long-reach, dual-pivot caliper that doesn't look too out of place on a vintage 3-speed:

http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/franken...inal-front.jpg


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