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Old 03-06-14, 01:11 PM   #5076
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arex, my apologies. I asked earlier why you weren't using the original calipers, and I forgot your answer when I wrote my last post.

Actually, single pivot sidepulls do have problems. I consider the Weinmann 500's to be pretty bad. If you want to use your Weinmann center-pulls, it makes sense, and it will probably work out well, provided they fit.
Ah, yes...I forget others here don't have the whole project burned into their skulls like I do, and I skim over some of the details.

Not doubting you, but what makes the W. 500s bad? Some people were downright waxing poetic about the things.

The center-pulls all fit with the Kool-Stops...the question remains whether the W. 750 is a better fit on the rear than the 610 or not. I'm guessing not, but I haven't really analyzed that aspect of things yet. One semi-cool bit about the 750/610 pair is that they're labeled "Raleigh" in blue, rather than the "Weinmann" in red like the 610 pair I have. Trivial, but I'm easily amused.


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Old 03-06-14, 01:25 PM   #5077
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All you have to do is see if these calipers fit. If the rear would accept a 610 or 750 equally well, it doesn't matter which you use. If the 610 fits in front and the 750 fits in back, then you're great. Next, you have to find and install cable hangers.

I found the 500's to be too flexible, which is worse in a single-pivot than in other types. If others like them, then maybe something was fortunate about their setups or unfortunate about mine. It's not odd that different people have different experiences with the same product.
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Old 03-06-14, 01:26 PM   #5078
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i recently put Weinmann 750's on my Grand Prix Portuer build, i went with the 750's because i wanted to stay original to the bike, (it already had the braze ons for center pulls) and i was going to 700c wheels
the one thing i can say is the brakes are very average, i don't know if its my inverse levers or what, but i don't feel like i have a lot of stopping power with them, i plan on getting some newer pads on them soon, and they are a PIA!! to adjust... sidepulls are much easier imho,
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Long reach brakes generally don't work very well, no matter the design. This is where dual-pivots have a fighting chance. I put some long ones on an old Raleigh Super Course, and they work very well. They even have the original crappy pads, and they work very well.
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Old 03-06-14, 02:43 PM   #5080
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Tektro makes a long-reach, dual-pivot caliper that doesn't look too out of place on a vintage 3-speed:

There;s a few more details back on page 13 ( I think) of the Tektro's. The nice thing about then too is the that cable mounting points are on the correct side also.
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Long reach brakes generally don't work very well, no matter the design. This is where dual-pivots have a fighting chance. I put some long ones on an old Raleigh Super Course, and they work very well. They even have the original crappy pads, and they work very well.
This is the issue with the Raleigh 20 that was originally designed for 451 wheels and was fitted with steel Raleigh sidepull brakes... the export models got 406 wheels and those heinous long reach alloy brakes which are only passable when it is dry and even then, are lacking compared to their 451 counterparts.
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Yeah, the fact that Raleigh equipped the Twenty with those brakes is unconscionable. Passable is too kind. I did not feel safe on my Twenty until I put the drum brake hub on it. But this is not arex's problem.

GordoTrek's picture reminded me of the time I put a center-pull brake on the rear of a 3-speed. I actually routed the cable to loop under in the same way. I wish I had a picture to show you how. The cable stop was attached to the yoke, and I attached the cable end to the frame. I thought it was clever, and I had never seen this trick before, and I haven't seen it since.
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In order to get a frame/fork/crank acquired project on the road, I used some centerpulls, and am generally happy with the result.

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The 610's worked perfectly. I may even have room for bigger tires.
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There;s a few more details back on page 13 ( I think) of the Tektro's. The nice thing about then too is the that cable mounting points are on the correct side also.
Are those straps fender braces, or what..? Looks highly interesting, but I've not seen anything like that before.
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Are those straps fender braces, or what..? Looks highly interesting, but I've not seen anything like that before.
Around here we call it a kilt guard.

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Around here we call it a kilt guard.

Aha...I see. Nobody needs to see me in a kilt.
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here are some pics of my junked DL-1 I rescued.. the chrome is amazing considering the age, and the condition of the saddle, its a 67, and the best part about the whole thing? both cotter pins came out!! can't wait to get started on this one!!
No sweat, that'll buff out.

I have just completed my second DL1 so now I have a his and hers set. I was amazed how well the paint buffed out and how well the fenders came back into shape. The rear had been folded and front was beat to hell.

Your chrome looks great and should polish up very nicely. Good Luck.
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i was suprised how well intact the bike actually was for being a 67, the 73 i worked on last year was in horrible shape, i will have to get some repro parts (fenders,handlebars) but all the chrome bits are in great shape, and the pain isn't even chipped that much... very excited, but she will have to wait, i don't have any funds now that my Grand Prix Portuer is done
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Yeah, it's hard to appreciate the paint on the old Raleighs unless you buff it or find an intact example.

arex, Sixty Fiver is joking. It's called a skirt guard.
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Should I call it a panty guard?
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Should I call it a panty guard?
Irrelevant. My sequined thong rides pretty high and close.
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i was suprised how well intact the bike actually was for being a 67, the 73 i worked on last year was in horrible shape, i will have to get some repro parts (fenders,handlebars) but all the chrome bits are in great shape, and the pain isn't even chipped that much... very excited, but she will have to wait, i don't have any funds now that my Grand Prix Portuer is done
Gordo, 90% of that project is just manual labor. And don't let those old handlebars get away from you. With some patience and a press they can be fixed.
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well, all i have is a bench vise, which didnt' want any part of it.. the tube was starting to ovalize...any other suggestions?
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Around here we call it a kilt guard.

Also called a coat guard or skirt guard... I much prefer kilt guard too

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OT: But it does incorporate and English 3 speed

I thought this was pretty cool Edit: It's a small lathe.
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I don't know what it does, but it seems to have three gears. :-)
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