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Old 06-20-11, 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by AL NZ
Ah, 65er (aka Bicycle Repairman) - the thread that never dies - you are immortal!

I want to crash this thread to ask a 3-speed-related question...

In short, has anyone ever found a new mudguard/fender set that fits 28" wheels? I think 700c just might stretch enough, but I'm not sure.

I am planning a double-project which has been gestating for 2 yrs or so, so far.

I have my BSA pathracer 'recreation' (apologies Picchio - I know..) which will shortly get a retrograde make-over back to a roadster.
I have a set of 70s Sturmey hub-brakes (110mm tandem front, 3 speed rear) which are, from memory, both 36 hole. A Christchurch (earthquake) cycle dealer sells the Guv'nor rims (36 hole) for NZD$115 each - so wheels sorted.
I have a spare, newish B66 Brooks. I have nice Williams crankset, although I'll probably stick with the BSA one. Until now, I have just needed a frame, and a set of mudguards (the ones on the BSA originally were not a matching set, and are pretty rough)

Now I have bought this frame (to be delivered) :-



it is old BSA, very lazy angles, 55cm seat tube - a bit small, but OK

that will be my new Pathracer, with a Major Taylor stem and some old Lauterwasser-style bars (but probably older) that need nickel plating, plus a Flyer Special which is 1 yr old.

All very confusing, I know, but when it's done, I will post pics.


Anyway, anyone know of a good source of suitable guards?

Also, I probably won't bother with a chaincase, as I have a complete-original 4-speed 1955 26" green Raleigh roadster, and 1939 28" Raleigh loopframe, so I don't feel the need to be historically accurate - I am suiting myself with a clear conscience, knowing I have preserved 2 old bikes 'as original', and knowing I am doing nothing irreversible to my 'bitzer' projects.
Hell...this thread doesn't even take naps.

115.00 each for rims ?

Let me pop a little nitro under my tongue here.

You might look at come of Electra and Velo Orange's offerings when it comes to aftermarket parts... their house brands are very nice and reasonably priced and a wider 700c mud guard is going to be a pretty close fit for a 635 as a wide 700c is a deeper section tyre and has a larger outer diameter that comes very close to the oversized British wheel.
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that's $115 NZD - about 55 pounds or USD$75-80 at a good guess. Yes, alot, but the perfect size.
And it's hard to get a 36 hole 28" rim - lots of old 32 and 40 holes out there

but thanks, I will check out Electra and VO
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In short, has anyone ever found a new mudguard/fender set that fits 28" wheels? I think 700c just might stretch enough, but I'm not sure.
Do you have a flying pigeon seller in your area? Those fenders would fit.
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Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver
Just wrapping up the work on this 1975 Raleigh Sports... fitted with NOS Mavic 650 A rims and new Delta Cruisers.

The ride is suhweet.

So are the condition and the color!
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Originally Posted by noglider
So are the condition and the color!
She's a beauty... only cosmetic issue are some dings in the chain guard which actually look worse in the picture than they do in person.

Those Mavic rims are gorgeous (double walled and eyeletted)... they almost built themselves and with those Delta Cruisers the ride is spectacular.

Was toying with the idea of building up a set for my '54 Raleigh and changing my 700c conversion into a 650A conversion... only had 4 pairs of these rims and figure I will save one set for myself since I don't expect to find any more of them.
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Has anyone mounted a Wald 215 rear rack to a Raleigh 3-speed Sports with fenders? It looks like a nice rack, classic lines, but I am not sure it would clear the rear fender.

Here is a link https://www.amazon.com/Wald-Rear-Moun.../dp/B001EL7OXU
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Looks like it would work, classic lines -but that front mount looks a bit sketchy. Doesn't look very strong or stable. It probably wouldn't be too hard to brace up though. For that price just buy it and try it.
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Won't fit...the legs are too short. Been there tried that still got the rack! I ended up buying a Sunlite? spring rack instead.

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Originally Posted by Schwinnsta
Has anyone mounted a Wald 215 rear rack to a Raleigh 3-speed Sports with fenders? It looks like a nice rack, classic lines, but I am not sure it would clear the rear fender.

Here is a link https://www.amazon.com/Wald-Rear-Moun.../dp/B001EL7OXU
I had one of these on a Nishiki mixte with fenders (27" wheels). There was plenty of clearance with this set up, and the mount to the brake bridge is quite sturdy yet bendable, so it should work. This rack can carry a pretty heavy load. I used it mainly with a computer-laden pannier. You just need to be sure it plays nice with the eyelets-- are they in a strange place on the Sports- like the rear of the dropout?
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Originally Posted by Schwinnsta
Has anyone mounted a Wald 215 rear rack to a Raleigh 3-speed Sports with fenders? It looks like a nice rack, classic lines, but I am not sure it would clear the rear fender.

Here is a link https://www.amazon.com/Wald-Rear-Moun.../dp/B001EL7OXU
Huh, cool coincidence I took a trip to my LBS yesterday looking for a rack, and this was the only one they had that mounted to the brake bridge. Anyways, I installed it on my Gitane with 27" wheels and it went on without a problem....I didn't even need to bend the bracket at all. The bracket is plenty strong and stable, and I carried a sawzall to my dad's house with no problems yesterday....~15lbs. I believe it's spec'd to carry over 25lbs

Back to your question, lol. It will have plenty of clearance to fit, but you may have to bend the attachment bracket to get it to sit level. And it's steel, so of course it's heavy. The mounting bolts are cheap, so I used allen bolts for the stays, and a beefier bolt for the bracket (with a locknut) One more very important note: you'll have to supply your own reflector

@Aaron: wonder how it didn't fit? Maybe there are more than one size of these Wald racks? If it fits on a 27" bike, how would it not fit on a 26" Sports? weird.
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The mounting points on the Sports are way back behind the axle. The rack hits the fender and you can't get it level.

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I suppose it might take a little bit of fabricating brackets to make it work. C&V wrenchers are used to making stuff work on their older bikes as off-the-shelf bolt-on accessories stopped being made for many of our bikes decades ago.

It's not an insurmountable hurdle.
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Originally Posted by wahoonc
The mounting points on the Sports are way back behind the axle. The rack hits the fender and you can't get it level.

Aaron
Thanks that info saved me some time and money. Too bad because I really like it in chrome.
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Originally Posted by Schwinnsta
Thanks that info saved me some time and money. Too bad because I really like it in chrome.
Hey Schwinnsta,

I have one of these that I cut out the middle section to make it just fit my Hercules. It worked OK though it did scratch up the fender when I was putting it on. You're welcome to try it out and see if it fits.

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Couldn't you drill holes on the top of the dropout for mounting the rack?

Though it shouldn't be hard to find a rack that fits.

Why isn't the good ol' Pletscher rack made any more? That was a huge favorite in the 70's. It was wobbly, but I didn't see many fail, and everyone loved the spring clip.
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So I finally received the bb spindle I ordered from England after exhausting every possibility State-side. . .
Assembled it with a new cup on my '53 Sports, and started reassembling everything. Now the crank spins like a top - no more crunching sounds!

The wheel with the SA hub I rebuilt weeks ago was at the ready, and all I had to do was screw in the indicator spindle, hook up the cable and try it out. Hot diggity !

Problem: Indicator won't screw in!
Cause: Broken axle key.

I fished out the two halves and they did seem quite worn, but c'mon - aren't these SA things supposed to be reliable? Why do they wait 60 years to break on me? Grrrr ! ! !

(This is why I think these 3-speeds are not for the faint of heart. 10-speeds are infinitely easier to work on!)

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Originally Posted by wahoonc
The mounting points on the Sports are way back behind the axle. The rack hits the fender and you can't get it level.

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ahh...makes sense. Once again, real world experience trumps internet assumptions lol
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Originally Posted by noglider
Couldn't you drill holes on the top of the dropout for mounting the rack?

Though it shouldn't be hard to find a rack that fits.

Why isn't the good ol' Pletscher rack made any more? That was a huge favorite in the 70's. It was wobbly, but I didn't see many fail, and everyone loved the spring clip.
I think they still make the Pletscher rack, they are just hard to find anymore. Thor usa has some listed.

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Thank Aaron, Thor does have one that appears to be the same as the classic but I will call since most of his things are for folding bikes with small wheels so it might be similar to Raliegh 20 rack.

Will I plan to email you about getting together this weekend.

I am currently considering Beria rack https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...A285ULQPFYVT8W one of the pictures has some measurements.

I plan to put a set of folding baskets on the sides.

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Oh my God, that site is amazing. I ordered a front rack, and it's only $45 with shipping.
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Thor is the GOD of Dahon folders, in the USA. There is actually something going on with a Dahon split between father and son, son is starting a new lineup called Tern folding bikes, and Thor is over there in the middle of it.

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They didn't have the term "rack" in the listing for the rack, which is, I suppose, why it doesn't come up in web searches. Anyway, this site is rather exotic. It looks like all the merchandise is European made. I like the 5v charging system they have. Makes me want to get a dynohub.
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Last night, I gave my daughter (who lives in San Francisco) a new bike. She's here for a couple of weeks. We test rode the bike, and I rode along sider her on my Twenty. She looked and chuckled and said, "That's a funny bike."
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Rivendell (sp?) sells the Pletscher racks.....not as cheap as Amazon etc but they do have them if you really really want for one. I bought two racks, at a great price for the time, years ago when Riv first started handling Pletscher. It works and looks great on the old Raleigh Sports. PG.
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My second favourite rack is the one that came with old Peugeots... it is strong and elegant and really suits vintage bicycles.
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