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    Celluloid mudguards

    I know these aren't nearly as good as modern stuff, but I'd still like to try some on a "vintage" British-style clubman. I've looked at all the usual sources, Ebay included, with no luck. Anyone know where I might find a pair?

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    i got these bluemels club specials from ebay - the guy was based in cyprus. They come up from time to time.
    I prefer them to SKS guards (in fact i used the SKS safety release on these guards)


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    in fact i've just done an ebay search - these are the exact ones i bought , from the same seller.

    perfect if you want black.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/NOS-BLACK-Blueme...item20adfdba4d

    think i may get another "spare" pair

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    Me too.


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    When i hear celluloid i think of the pearloid on guitars and banjos. Now I want pearloid fenders.

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    I've seen the Bluemels, all advertised as "plastic". I'd assumed this was modern plastic, rather than celluloid. Am I wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Six jours View Post
    I've seen the Bluemels, all advertised as "plastic". I'd assumed this was modern plastic, rather than celluloid. Am I wrong?
    I think that celluloid is an old fashioned term for plastic. They are plastic. If they were celluloid they could burst into flame.

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    Hiding in TOS(The Old Shed)...

    Some time ago another forum member contacted me about plastic fenders. I looked in The Old Shed and found a couple of sets. Can't remember exactly what they were but one set was NOS and still in their plastic sheaths but missing the original struts to mount with. The other was a set of Lightweight, used but in good shape and complete as I recall. They are back in The Old Shed now since the interested person never got back to me.

    Personally, I prefer alloy fenders and I have a few sets of these guys, in great shape, tucked away. Leave them original or paint em up. Great fenders from the mid seventies and they fit either 27" or 700c wheels. I tuck these fender sets away every chance I get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldmuthariley View Post
    i got these bluemels club specials from ebay - the guy was based in cyprus. They come up from time to time.
    I prefer them to SKS guards (in fact i used the SKS safety release on these guards)
    Now that's how a fixed-gear should look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldmuthariley View Post
    i got these bluemels club specials from ebay - the guy was based in cyprus. They come up from time to time.
    I prefer them to SKS guards (in fact i used the SKS safety release on these guards)

    You know how fond of this bike I am, and here you are tempting me again.

    Shame on you!

    I'd ride the tires off that bike. Black mudguards look fantastic sir.

    Probably easier to set up than the Berthouds I installed for my brother yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Bois View Post
    I think that celluloid is an old fashioned term for plastic. They are plastic. If they were celluloid they could burst into flame.
    I had a reel of 35mm film hanging on my wall for years. I unrolled some of it first to confirm it was safety film. As 8 year olds are wont to do, my kid was playing with a lighter one day - next thing we know, we have what looks like a jet engine roaring in the living room. A solid, roaring, tower of flame jetting 8 feet high. Lucky for us - and him - it burned out in about 20 seconds. We had a black burned impression of the film reel on the hardwood floor (under a rug) for years until we had the floors refinished.

    Celluloid is very dangerous stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Six jours View Post
    I know these aren't nearly as good as modern stuff, but I'd still like to try some on a "vintage" British-style clubman. I've looked at all the usual sources, Ebay included, with no luck. Anyone know where I might find a pair?
    Where are you and what colour are you looking for?

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    Mudguard mounting option

    I see a lot of Bluemels/SKS's mounted with the stays left long and the little rubber tips in place. Eventually these disappear into the ozone and the stay shreds your flesh. This method is a little tidier. Mount them, ride them until your sure they're positioned correctly. Mark the stays almost flush to the nut and cut them. Invert the nut and the end of the stay tucks away nicely.

    Guess I should clean the salt way but I'm not convinced winters gone for good.

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    Good idea, clubman.

    I recently bought the fancy SKS "chromo-plastic" fenders for my Surly Cross Check. The LBS owner who sold them to me pointed out that the longitudinal center is plastic, isolating the sides, electrically. This means, he pointed out, that you can insert a wire into the end of each side and use the aluminum sides as conductors. Thus, you can mount a taillight on the end, without any wires running along the fender.

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    I have some white Bluemel Club Specials in my garage. I need to find some new hardware for them though, as one of the stays for the rear is bent all to hell.

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    You can probably find the hardware. Once you do that, you can command a pretty penny for the set in the marketplace. The demand for white Bleumels is high, and the supply is abysmal. I don't think anyone currently makes white fenders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawes-man View Post
    Where are you and what colour are you looking for?
    I'm in Southern California and I'm looking for (of course) white ones.

    As an aside, I've read some reports (facetious ones, perhaps) of celluloid mudguards catching fire, so am led to believe that they really were celluloid. Could certainly be wrong though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noglider View Post
    You can probably find the hardware. Once you do that, you can command a pretty penny for the set in the marketplace. The demand for white Bleumels is high, and the supply is abysmal. I don't think anyone currently makes white fenders.
    That's good to know, once I source some hardware. They came in on a 1973 World Voyageur, but am not sure if they're going back out with the bike.
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    BTW, this is the bike for which I want them.



    I am going to change from fixed/wooden rims to three speed Sturmey-Archer with traditional polished aluminum box section rims. I think some traditional fenders will go perfectly.
    Last edited by Six jours; 04-02-10 at 04:04 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Six jours View Post
    BTW, this is the bike for which I want them.
    Search no more: http://cgi.ebay.com/NOS-BLACK-Blueme...item20adfdba4d

    EDIT: White ones? Hmm. Well, whatever floats your boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Six jours View Post
    I'm in Southern California and I'm looking for (of course) white ones.
    I've got a pair of white Club Specials and a pair of white Populars, both NOS with all mounting stuff, that I bought and never used but you'd be better getting something local.

    Dunno about the 'of course'... I think this looks better in green:



    ... and this one in blue:



    ... and I can't see this in white

    white, either...

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    What is that frame? I can't quite read the downtube but it looks English and old. Very nice! Being black I think it would look good in white or black. Like these:




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    Well, I think black might actually be just fine. And if the ones being sold on Ebay are the same as they were 50 years ago... Thanks for everyone's help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawes-man View Post
    white, either...
    Tell me, just what are the ST and HT angles on that frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawes-man View Post
    What is that frame? I can't quite read the downtube but it looks English and old. Very nice! Being black I think it would look good in white or black. Like these:



    Wish I could see the pics -- all that shows up is an orange "X" with Chinese characters...

    As for the frame, it says "Ashdown", which is taken from a favorite Patterson drawing of a British touring cyclist entitled "Touring the Ashdown Forest". The frame is brand new; I made it myself a few months ago, using 531, and copying the British style of the 40s.

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