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Old 08-25-04, 06:37 AM   #1
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I just bought a 1974 Schwinn Paramount track bike. It arrived with high flange Campy hubs front and rear, but the rear seems to be threaded for a 5 speed freewheel (120mm width). Whoever used the bike last outfitted the rear hub with a single speed freewheel (and no brakes on the bar???). The hubs have Campagnolo Record stamped into the metal and there is a little black clip on each hub, presumeably to cover the grease port. The flanges have a series of cutouts, but aren't the Record hubs that look like a sherriff's badge, also the finish on the alloy hubs looks a little dull and slightly rough at the flange cutouts...not like the newer highly polished stuff and not the result of oxidation, it is just how they were made. Both hubs are 36 hole, laced to Fiemme (sp?) alloy tubular rims with what appear to be stainless steel spokes.

Does anyone know of a place to determine the exact model and a ballpark value? I plan to sell these (probably on eBay) to help finance a new set of period-appropriate track wheels. I am new to this vintage restoration thing, so any information will be helpful. In particular I was wondering if I should only sell the rear wheel and then try to purchase a rear track wheel or hub that matches the front wheel that came with the bike...is that even possible...would the appropriate rear track hub match the high flange front road hub that I already have?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

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check out either Classic rendezvous ( www.classicrendezvous.com )
or Campy Only (they have a good timeline).

The classic "sherriffs" badge is a later model (C-Record? I think )
the round hole is the older Nuovo/Super record hub.
If you take the wheels off, there is a date code stamped on the
locking washer. That should give you a ballpark idea if the hubs are
original or not. I'm guessing they are.
BTW the C-Record came out mid 80's so not period correct to your
74 vintage track steel.

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Interesting. You think that the rear hub is original even though it is for a derailleur model? It seems unlikely that they would have fitted the track frame in this way, but I really don't know for sure. Unless I am missing something, you would never have a truly secure lockring since there isn't any stepped thread. The singlespeed freewheel that was attached is an obviously later Shimano model.

I think I wasn't clear, the lightening holes in the flange hubs aren't circular they are sort of a filleted trapezoid shape (radiused corners).

Thanks for the links and info on where to find the SN.
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BlindRobert,

Funny,

I have the exact same hub (front only) that has never been laced. I bought the set in either 1974 or 1975. I laced the rear but never got to the front. I cannot find the rear wheel.

Like you, I'm courious to know how much it is worth. I cannot remember how much I paid for them, I know it was a few bucks, but at the time I was 16 or 17 years old.

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Another rough dating technique for Campy hubs is the QR handle on the skewers. In the early 80's (I think) they went to a curved handle. Campy QR's made in the 70's and before have a straight QR handle. This is not an absolute, QR handles can be replaced, but usually they aren't.

I have two sets of Record high flange hubs from the 70's - both have the elongated slots with rounded edges. And straight QR handles, needless to say. Almost 30 years old, and those hubs still roll smooth.
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120 mm is probably the appropriate width for a track hub of this time, date is stamped on the inside of the locknuts on the hubs.
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Meant to say same time frame, not original.

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I printed out the Campy Record catalog from 1973 and the standard track hub (rear) was spaced at 110mm with 120mm available on request. I am pretty sure this is actually a rear road hub for a 5 speed freewheel. The catalog for the track hub DOES NOT show the black clips that cover the grease port, but the catalog for the road hub DOES show the grease port covers.

Interstingly, the catalog pics don't seem to show stepped, reverse handed threads for the track hub lockring, anyone have an idea how these lockrings secured the cog? Or better yet, what year they started doing stepped threads?
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