Need help Id this Bianchi...
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Hi everyone, I just joined. The site looks great, lots of good info.
Here is my problem. I am trying to ID a Bianchi I purchased 6 years ago at the salvation army...
The Frame is gunmetal with white Bianchi decals and says Alloro...
I also seem to remember a decal that said PIAGGIO but it fell off.
Now unless Bianchi used Celeste primer, I am 99% sure this is a respray, hence my not trusting the decals...
The bike came with:
3TTTbar and stem
Modolo Sporting hoods (the drilled-out ones) and brakes
Campagnolo "NUOVO GRAN SPORT" Rear derailleur
Campagnolo front derailleur
Campagnolo braze-on downtube shifters
Gran Sport seat post (27.2)
Bianchi leather seat
Bianchi cranks w/ 42/52 chainrings
Ofmega quill pedals with "Bianchi Rekord" leather toe straps and Ale alloy toe clips
The dropouts say GIPIEMME and have adjusters
B is recessed on top of both seatstays as well as on either side of the fork crow (top)
Italian BB
The only # I could find are on the seatlug 3.M on the right side and 1311 on the left
Any help is welcome.
I will try to post pics even though the components have all been upgraded
Here is my problem. I am trying to ID a Bianchi I purchased 6 years ago at the salvation army...
The Frame is gunmetal with white Bianchi decals and says Alloro...
I also seem to remember a decal that said PIAGGIO but it fell off.
Now unless Bianchi used Celeste primer, I am 99% sure this is a respray, hence my not trusting the decals...
The bike came with:
3TTTbar and stem
Modolo Sporting hoods (the drilled-out ones) and brakes
Campagnolo "NUOVO GRAN SPORT" Rear derailleur
Campagnolo front derailleur
Campagnolo braze-on downtube shifters
Gran Sport seat post (27.2)
Bianchi leather seat
Bianchi cranks w/ 42/52 chainrings
Ofmega quill pedals with "Bianchi Rekord" leather toe straps and Ale alloy toe clips
The dropouts say GIPIEMME and have adjusters
B is recessed on top of both seatstays as well as on either side of the fork crow (top)
Italian BB
The only # I could find are on the seatlug 3.M on the right side and 1311 on the left
Any help is welcome.
I will try to post pics even though the components have all been upgraded
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Here are some pics of the bike as it is today
Most of the bike's components that came with the bike
Some close up of the frame (lugs + the only numbers that appear on the frame)
Most of the bike's components that came with the bike
Some close up of the frame (lugs + the only numbers that appear on the frame)
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Piaggio was the co-sponsor for the Bianchi pro team from about 1980-1983. I'm not sure if there was a corporate tie, but the bicycles from that period did have Piaggio decals. The Nuovo Gran Sport was made from 1974-1985, so that fits. I've also seen early '80s models with the embossed B within a circle on the stay cap and frames in that dark anthracite grey.
Campagnolo date coded their high end equipment, but I"m not sure about Gran Sport. Look for a patent date on the rear derailleur. The cranks may also have a code on the back. A diamond represents the '70s and a circle the '80s. A numeral within the symbol represents the last digit of the year of manufacture. Good Luck!
Campagnolo date coded their high end equipment, but I"m not sure about Gran Sport. Look for a patent date on the rear derailleur. The cranks may also have a code on the back. A diamond represents the '70s and a circle the '80s. A numeral within the symbol represents the last digit of the year of manufacture. Good Luck!
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Originally Posted by T-Mar
Piaggio was the co-sponsor for the Bianchi pro team from about 1980-1983. I'm not sure if there was a corporate tie, but the bicycles from that period did have Piaggio decals. The Nuovo Gran Sport was made from 1974-1985, so that fits. I've also seen early '80s models with the embossed B within a circle on the stay cap and frames in that dark anthracite grey.
Campagnolo date coded their high end equipment, but I"m not sure about Gran Sport. Look for a patent date on the rear derailleur. The cranks may also have a code on the back. A diamond represents the '70s and a circle the '80s. A numeral within the symbol represents the last digit of the year of manufacture. Good Luck!
Campagnolo date coded their high end equipment, but I"m not sure about Gran Sport. Look for a patent date on the rear derailleur. The cranks may also have a code on the back. A diamond represents the '70s and a circle the '80s. A numeral within the symbol represents the last digit of the year of manufacture. Good Luck!
The rear derailleur only says"PATENT" with no date...as for the cranks, the say "170 STRADA" 170 being the crankarm length and "9/16X20F" by the "pedal hole". I am not sure about that one. Thread size maybe?
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Originally Posted by maestro862
Thanks for the insight.
The rear derailleur only says"PATENT" with no date...as for the cranks, the say "170 STRADA" 170 being the crankarm length and "9/16X20F" by the "pedal hole". I am not sure about that one. Thread size maybe?
The rear derailleur only says"PATENT" with no date...as for the cranks, the say "170 STRADA" 170 being the crankarm length and "9/16X20F" by the "pedal hole". I am not sure about that one. Thread size maybe?
Your bike sounds similar to mine: Modolo Speedy brakes; Campag. N. Record derailleurs, pat. 1980; Ofmega crankset 52-42; Campag. Gran Sport pedals; Campag. seatpost; Bianchi/TTT stem; Ofmega low-flange 36-hole hubset; Regina America 13-23 6-speed freewheel; rare metallic "Ralph Lauren brown"/charcoal colour; TreTubi frame
Do you have stickers identifying frame pedigree, such as "TreTubi" or "Columbus"?
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"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
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Originally Posted by John E
Yes, 9/16" diameter, 20 threads per inch.
Your bike sounds similar to mine: Modolo Speedy brakes; Campag. N. Record derailleurs, pat. 1980; Ofmega crankset 52-42; Campag. Gran Sport pedals; Campag. seatpost; Bianchi/TTT stem; Ofmega low-flange 36-hole hubset; Regina America 13-23 6-speed freewheel; rare metallic "Ralph Lauren brown"/charcoal colour; TreTubi frame
Do you have stickers identifying frame pedigree, such as "TreTubi" or "Columbus"?
Your bike sounds similar to mine: Modolo Speedy brakes; Campag. N. Record derailleurs, pat. 1980; Ofmega crankset 52-42; Campag. Gran Sport pedals; Campag. seatpost; Bianchi/TTT stem; Ofmega low-flange 36-hole hubset; Regina America 13-23 6-speed freewheel; rare metallic "Ralph Lauren brown"/charcoal colour; TreTubi frame
Do you have stickers identifying frame pedigree, such as "TreTubi" or "Columbus"?
I do have the Ofmega crankset 52-42; Campag. Gran Sport pedals; Campag. seatpost; Bianchi/TTT stem; Ofmega low-flange 36-hole hubset; Regina America 13-23 6-speed freewheel; rare metallic "Ralph Lauren brown"/charcoal colour which, by the way, is an excellent description of the paint job.
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There's a remote possibility that the back of the hub locknuts may have a two digit year code. Many Italian manufacturers used Campagnolo hardware for their hubs. I known that Gipiemme did during this period.
Further to John E.'s tubing enquiry, if there are spiral reinforcements in the bottom of the fork's steerer tube, then it is Columbus tubing, though the grade is indeterminate. However, even without the spirals, it could still have Columbus main tubes. As John E. notes, many mid level Bianchi models came with Tre Tubi frames that used higher grades of tubing in the three main tubes, with lesser grades employed for the stays and forks.
Sorry about leading you astray with date codes for the cranks. I didn't realize they were Ofmega. They looked like Campagnolo in the picture.
Further to John E.'s tubing enquiry, if there are spiral reinforcements in the bottom of the fork's steerer tube, then it is Columbus tubing, though the grade is indeterminate. However, even without the spirals, it could still have Columbus main tubes. As John E. notes, many mid level Bianchi models came with Tre Tubi frames that used higher grades of tubing in the three main tubes, with lesser grades employed for the stays and forks.
Sorry about leading you astray with date codes for the cranks. I didn't realize they were Ofmega. They looked like Campagnolo in the picture.
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Originally Posted by T-Mar
There's a remote possibility that the back of the hub locknuts may have a two digit year code. Many Italian manufacturers used Campagnolo hardware for their hubs. I known that Gipiemme did during this period.
Further to John E.'s tubing enquiry, if there are spiral reinforcements in the bottom of the fork's steerer tube, then it is Columbus tubing, though the grade is indeterminate. However, even without the spirals, it could still have Columbus main tubes. As John E. notes, many mid level Bianchi models came with Tre Tubi frames that used higher grades of tubing in the three main tubes, with lesser grades employed for the stays and forks.
Sorry about leading you astray with date codes for the cranks. I didn't realize they were Ofmega. They looked like Campagnolo in the picture.
Further to John E.'s tubing enquiry, if there are spiral reinforcements in the bottom of the fork's steerer tube, then it is Columbus tubing, though the grade is indeterminate. However, even without the spirals, it could still have Columbus main tubes. As John E. notes, many mid level Bianchi models came with Tre Tubi frames that used higher grades of tubing in the three main tubes, with lesser grades employed for the stays and forks.
Sorry about leading you astray with date codes for the cranks. I didn't realize they were Ofmega. They looked like Campagnolo in the picture.
As for the hub locknuts, I couldn't find any code either.
No spiral in the fork steerer tube but I did find a bike that is a "celeste" carbon copy of mine (at least from the outside) here. The only difference is I have the original quill Ofmega pedals with "Bianchi Rekord" leather toe straps and Ale alloy toe clips...and the color of course
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I have a kooky theory. Your bike looks very much like mine, except for the Bianchi decals (mine are gold) and the Bianchi-branded Ofmega crankset. (Mine had the earlier Ofmega-branded Ofmega CX crankset.) My serial number is 1M9912, yours is 3M1311; does this make mine a 1981 and yours a 1983? (I have yet to find anyone who has deciphered Bianchi serial numbers!)
"Ralph Lauren brown" is my artist wife's term for the colour of my Bianchi. There aren't too many brown Bianchis out there, and I think it looks pretty sharp. The original sales receipt from Leucadia Cyclery described the colour as "charcoal." (The other option for that model and year was, of course, Celeste #217.)
"Ralph Lauren brown" is my artist wife's term for the colour of my Bianchi. There aren't too many brown Bianchis out there, and I think it looks pretty sharp. The original sales receipt from Leucadia Cyclery described the colour as "charcoal." (The other option for that model and year was, of course, Celeste #217.)
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Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
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Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
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I was fortunate enough to race for an Italian team in 93/94 season and we where given Bianchi bike's so in 93 my bike had a "B" on the top tube lug and the lugs where made by Gippemme and I know Campy made them too.
On the lugs of the fork there was the Bianchi emblem.
The back wheel drop outs did have adjustments. The groupset I had was the "C" Record with the Delta brakes.
But as far as I can remember all Bianchi (Italian made) where Celeste in colour and the Asia imports were other colours.
On the lugs of the fork there was the Bianchi emblem.
The back wheel drop outs did have adjustments. The groupset I had was the "C" Record with the Delta brakes.
But as far as I can remember all Bianchi (Italian made) where Celeste in colour and the Asia imports were other colours.
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Originally Posted by John E
"Ralph Lauren brown" is my artist wife's term for the colour of my Bianchi. There aren't too many brown Bianchis out there, and I think it looks pretty sharp. The original sales receipt from Leucadia Cyclery described the colour as "charcoal." (The other option for that model and year was, of course, Celeste #217.)
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I just stumbled across some specs to a 1984 Allegro which match yours with the following exceptions: Ofmega Competizone crankset, San Marco seat post, Selle Italia saddle, Weinmann 605 brakes. The cranks and saddle may be match, with Bianchi simply having contracted the respective companies to label them with Bianchi. The specs even mention the "engraved "B" top eyes and fork crown". Given the serial number, I suspect your is a 1983 model as John E. suggests.
BTW, the 1984 model's tubset is Columbus Aelle, throughout. I suspect yours is the same. MSR was $499.00 US.
BTW, the 1984 model's tubset is Columbus Aelle, throughout. I suspect yours is the same. MSR was $499.00 US.
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Originally Posted by T-Mar
MSR was $499.00 US.
I've been having the hardest time trying to locate the msrp of my 1981 Tipo Corsa. Was this model by chance in the literature you stumbled acoss?
just curious.
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Originally Posted by stormywaters
a bit off topic...
I've been having the hardest time trying to locate the msrp of my 1981 Tipo Corsa. Was this model by chance in the literature you stumbled acoss?
just curious.
I've been having the hardest time trying to locate the msrp of my 1981 Tipo Corsa. Was this model by chance in the literature you stumbled acoss?
just curious.
On behalf of John E, what is the serial number of your 1981 Tipo Corsa? Thxs.
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Originally Posted by T-Mar
... On behalf of John E, what is the serial number of your 1981 Tipo Corsa? Thxs.
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Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
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Originally Posted by John E
Thanks, T-Mar. I can confidently bracket my model year as 1980, 1981, or 1982, with 1981 being the most likely.
There's nothing conclusive here, I'm just sounding a possibility. The letter could also be a facility or craftsman identifier, or something altogether different.
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In 1885 they might not have even had serial numbers on there bikes because they were probably a fairly small builder.
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Originally Posted by Everest
In 1885 they might not have even had serial numbers on there bikes because they were probably a fairly small builder.
My suggestion could very well be off base and was only thrown out as a possibility. We will have a better idea only when several Bianchi serial numbers for which the model year is known. However, this format does appear to be restricted to Italian manufactured frames. I have seen several Japanese built frames from the same period that use other serial number formats.
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where would I find the serial number?
the frameset is mere tretubi, but the components are pure campy (mixed nuovo record/super record), and are all original to the bike.
the rims are mavic.
here is a link to a catalog picture of my bike...
https://bulgier.net/pics/bike/Catalogs/bianchi4/7.jpg
let me know what you think it may have run for back in 1981.
the frameset is mere tretubi, but the components are pure campy (mixed nuovo record/super record), and are all original to the bike.
the rims are mavic.
here is a link to a catalog picture of my bike...
https://bulgier.net/pics/bike/Catalogs/bianchi4/7.jpg
let me know what you think it may have run for back in 1981.
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Stormywaters, I didn't have much luck finding comparable Italian bicycles from the era. Tretubi frames with a NR/SR mix apparently weren't that common. My guess, and that's all it is, would be somewhere around $1000.00 US. Anyone else? Did you check the seat lug for the serial number?
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the seat lug has 2.A on one side and 099 on the other.
so, what does that mean?
so, what does that mean?
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Originally Posted by stormywaters
the seat lug has 2.A on one side and 099 on the other.
so, what does that mean?
so, what does that mean?
Recently, several early 1980s Bianchi had appeared with 'M' codes, leading me to think that the 'M' may have been the decade or possibly the factory location (Milano). However, your 'A' code would seem to disprove those theories and indicate that the handful of 'M' codes were simply co-incidence.
The most likely possibilities now are that the letter indicates a fortnight or month. Twenty-six fortnights in a year neatly covers the alphabet and was a common production period utilized by other European factories (i.e. Raleigh). Twelve months normally covers A-L, but Bianchi may have skipped "I" as it could have been misinterpreted as a the numeral "1". Discovery of Bianchi letter codes higher than 'M' would shift the most likely possibilty towards a fortnight designation.
Of course, the other possibility is that the numeral is the production period indicator and the letter designates the year. While this cannot be ruled out, the samples of early 1980s Bianchi all seem to have 1,2 or 3 codes, pointing to 1981, 1982 or 1983. Again, this could simply be co-incidence. To increase our confidence we need more Bianchi serial numbers, where we known the year or approximate year of the frame.
Well, John E, what do you think? Year.fortnight? Should we create a new post requesting serial numbers for Italian built Bianchi? I'm willing to analyze the data if you think it is worthwhile.
Stormywaters, you can verify the year somewhat by checking the date codes on the Campagnolo parts, assuming they are all original. There should be a patent date on the rear derailleur, double digit year codes on the back of the hub locknuts and a single digit year code inside a circle on the back on the crankarms. If the frame was built in the first fortnight (or month) of 1982, then these codes would most likely be Patent 81, 81 and 1 respectively.
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Originally Posted by T-Mar
Should we create a new post requesting serial numbers for Italian built Bianchi? I'm willing to analyze the data if you think it is worthwhile.
I think that is a great idea. Obviouly, we are on to something. "Cracking" the Bianchi frame code would certainly help people in the future. Like you mentioned, unless we can find a frame with a letter higher than M, the month seems more likely. I would tend to lean more towards the month at this point but we shall see...
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patent on the rear is 79.
the crank arm has a one with a circle around it, which I was told indicates 1981.
If the 2.A indicates first period of 1982 everything matches up.
keep up the work, you guys are on to something.
the crank arm has a one with a circle around it, which I was told indicates 1981.
If the 2.A indicates first period of 1982 everything matches up.
keep up the work, you guys are on to something.
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Giong slight OT, how much did you pay to replace all your components? I'm assumign they're all ultegra, (bb, headset, crankset, derailleurs, brakes, shifters, wheelset?)