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    Bottom Bracket for 1984 Cannondale ST500

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    Beautiful bikes!

    I was wondering if you could help me. I recently purchased an ST500 frame.

    I'm having trouble with getting the right bottom bracket.

    Can anyone help me with sizing?

    I think I need a 68 x 127 mm, I just want to make sure.

    I'd like it line up with a 6 speed free-wheel

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    Starlucky, BBs have more to do with the crankset than the frame. What crankset are you using? Double or triple?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rccardr View Post
    ...that was completed last night. New Sun rims, 1st gen 105 with a 6200 series 600 crankset, rare 1050 series 7 speed polished shifters, 14/28 FW. I like the white hoods on the yellow bar tape...





    What color/shade of blue is this bike?

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    I think it's called Skyler Blue- powder coat. Looks very close to Blueberry to me, am having another one done for a build-to-order, will check color name and supplier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rccardr View Post
    ...and a long overdue pic of the Yellow Submarine with the new Ultegra/Mavic Open Pro wheels, Michelin Erilium2 tires and red decals it got at the end of last summer:
    I doubt anybody will mind my dredging up this post. Lots of fine looking Cannondales here.

    rccardr,

    I'm in the middle of an '87 ST400 overhaul and I noted the BB spindle length was 127mm. I may want to upgrade the drivetrain to something more modern in the future and I won't have the luxury of experimenting. Did you run into any issues when replacing/upgrading cranks on these old Cdales?

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    Quote Originally Posted by knoregs View Post
    I doubt anybody will mind my dredging up this post. Lots of fine looking Cannondales here.

    rccardr,

    I'm in the middle of an '87 ST400 overhaul and I noted the BB spindle length was 127mm. I may want to upgrade the drivetrain to something more modern in the future and I won't have the luxury of experimenting. Did you run into any issues when replacing/upgrading cranks on these old Cdales?

    ~kn
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    It all depends on the crankset used. Most of the modern sets specify what size BB to use.
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    I've sent a message to drrobwave to post his latest build, a Cannondale Criterium.

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    No problem at all with the BB/Crank interface. I've used cuo "N cone, sealed, & Octalink V1 BB's on these bikes and they all work out just fine. Triples take a little experimentation sometimes to get the correct chainline because of the large chain stays, even though they are 'relieved' (e.g. dented) for chainring and heel clearance. Doubles usually take a 115-116 symmetrical, triples generally somewhere between 1214 and 127 depending on the crank offset. Truvativ Touro's work well as a triple (52/42/32), so do Sakae's (50/40/30).

    BTW, the Yellow Sub has been sold and replaced with...a Corsa Extra. Pics to follow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobbieTunes View Post
    I've sent a message to drrobwave to post his latest build, a Cannondale Criterium.
    Rob sent me a picture. It is a beauty.
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    Beautiful Cannondale Machines, I have a just as nice stock SR500, but everytime I see your workmanship, I think ART on 2 Wheels.....
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    kn, What kind of drivetrain are you considering? With the 127 mm wide BB I'm guessing it has a triple on it now and if nothing else I'd expect that any crankset can be fitted onto that BB without frame interferance, chainline would be another matter all together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rccardr View Post
    No problem at all with the BB/Crank interface. I've used cuo "N cone, sealed, & Octalink V1 BB's on these bikes and they all work out just fine. Triples take a little experimentation sometimes to get the correct chainline because of the large chain stays, even though they are 'relieved' (e.g. dented) for chainring and heel clearance. Doubles usually take a 115-116 symmetrical, triples generally somewhere between 1214 and 127 depending on the crank offset. Truvativ Touro's work well as a triple (52/42/32), so do Sakae's (50/40/30).

    Quote Originally Posted by pastorbobnlnh View Post
    It all depends on the crankset used. Most of the modern sets specify what size BB to use.
    Good to know. I was just curious because the 127mm BB was attached to a double crank so I was thinking it was because of the clearance with the fat pipes. Except the frame is 'dented' in the right places.

    I've got an Ultegra 6500 with matching bottom bracket I picked up for $10 just sitting around. Rings are quite worn but I suppose I could mount 'em up and see how it looks.

    I've also got some modern 130OLD 700c wheels. I was a little leery about popping 'em in the 126mm spaced frame but after seeing rccardr do it numerous times, I think I may try it.


    Quote Originally Posted by bradtx View Post
    What kind of drivetrain are you considering?
    I was thinking of doing all black ano components. The crank will either be compact or triple.


    Quote Originally Posted by rccardr View Post
    BTW, the Yellow Sub has been sold and replaced with...a Corsa Extra. Pics to follow.
    Cool More eye candy I'm sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knoregs View Post
    I was thinking of doing all black ano components. The crank will either be compact or triple.~kn
    Should be very nice, I've a black SunTour X-1 28-38-48 triple I'm going to try on my T bike, will require a BB swap from the present 120 mm to a ~127 mm because of the chainring's backspacing compared to the Sugino (CODA) mountain triple it now has. My 3.0 T frame's chainstay isn't indented for crankarm clearance, just chainring clearance. Maybe a moot point as the chainstay's length creates less of an angle from the BB shell to (in my case) 135 mm dropouts, compared with my Cannondale roadies.

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    Build Season is Back!

    Yep, it's that time of year again: too much rain, dark in the morning, blah blah blah.
    So I built this- first Cannondale of this build season.

    '83 ST frameset- an 'AA' serial number, the first year Cannondale built them under their own name. Not as many braze-ons as the later years, and the filleting is not as smooth as the late 80's frames, but it's got the same feel as all ST frames- like you could hop on and ride it to the other coast. Sweet. This one was converted from 27" to 700c Wolber wheels with 105 hubs, a Shimano 600 tricolor drive train, modern Cannondale C5 (by Tektro) brakes, Tektro 3401 ergo brake levers and a rare 1050 series 7 speed downtube shifter set with a 14/28 freewheel. Cinelli 64-40 bars and a 120 stem, Body Geometry saddle.

    Gonna make somebody a really nice ride.




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    Black '94 56cm SR with Dura Ace 7700 DT shifters/FD/RD/Crankset/11-23 9 speed cassette, Shimano R500 wheelset & Cannondale drops. Tektro R530 brakeset and R200 levers, both in black, and an Origin8 saddle on a Bontrager XLite carbon seatpost. Powder coat by Len McCreary at Figure LLC, and custom cut decals by Mike at "...and Design". It's a sweetie, going up on CL this afternoon.



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    ...and this keen-O '83 ST powder coated in white with 105/5600 FD/RD, Truvativ compact crank, Shimano UN55 BB, 10 speed Dura Ace DT shifters and 12/27 cassette, DA7850 & 7700 hubs laced to Mavic Open pros, Selle San Marco saddle, more of those custom decals, Vittoria Randonneur 32's, Tektro 539 brakeset (yes, I fixed the right rear shoe after I saw the picture) and R200L levers. Built to order for a guy who intends to use it for some heavy duty credit card touring.




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    Doc, I've recently acquired an 85 SR in that magenta color. I'll probably refinish it and will need new decals. Do you think a sign shop could make them if I take the frame in so they can see the originals? Any advice about what to ask for regarding material or whatever? thanks btw, wish it was an ST....
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    Yep, any competent sign shop with a vinyl cutter should be able to help you out. They won't be 'official logo' decals like we used to get from vintage cannondale, but good enough to do the job.
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    ...and, Finally....

    ...this '94 R400. 7 speed HG cassette, 126 OLD, RX100 components. In many ways, I think this series of R/SR bikes was the best mid-level stuff Cannondale produced. Aside from the stems and seatposts, which were hideous (and which I replaced on this one).

    Such a nice frame that all I had to do was touch it up with Honda metallic black- perfect match. Tore it down and did a straight rehab on it. Now prowling the hipster streets of DC...




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    Thanks!

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    rccardr, I actually like the OEM Kalloy stems and seatposts yet there are more aesthetically graceful pieces. The 2.8 frame was a major Cannondale break through, I loved my black-gold '96 and they were the basis of many of the CAAD 3 and later designs. (correction; I forgot that a '94 R400 was still the 3.0 frame) The RSX parts are pretty darn good also, just lacking in esteem. I have a set of RSX and RX100 DP calipers in the parts bin in case I feel like another build.

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    I always appreciate your specialty and contributions. And orange is the best bike color.

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    Brad, I have a couple of those painted, welded black stems that I will happily gift to you for the price of postage.

    No, come to think of it, I'll actually pay that myself just for the pleasure of making you happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rccardr View Post
    Brad, I have a couple of those painted, welded black stems that I will happily gift to you for the price of postage.

    No, come to think of it, I'll actually pay that myself just for the pleasure of making you happy.

    PM me your address!
    No thanks, I have spares. I also forgot that the '94 is still the 3.0 frame and had to edit that post. but that's how yesterday went.

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    That R400 is perfect. One day I will find a crit frame in a 58 with those chainstays.

    Its on my list. Shoulda sold my RB-1 and not the Black Lighting,

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