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    Please help me decide on my first Road bike: Miyata Nine 16 V. Bianchi Nuovo Racing

    I've loved cycling since I was a wee tot, but never really gained too much interest in road biking. This past year my mountain bike was stolen (I live in LA), and I've decided to replace it with a road bike. I'd be using it for a mix of exercise and pleasure rides. I live near the San Gabriel mountains, so I'll be doing quite a bit of climbing.

    I've found two bikes in my price range (sub $500) that have piqued my interest.

    One is a Bianchi Nuovo Racing in Celeste. parts set is somewhat mixed: Campagnolo Nuovo Record Gearing and levers - Modolo America Braking - TTT Bars and Stem - Campy Headset - Mavic Mod M 700s - TTT Leather saddle.

    priced at $380, but I would need some lever hoods, a re wrap and probably want a new saddle. I also don't know how much life the tires have left in them.

    The other bike is a Miyata Nine 16, which has shimano 600 parts group, fairly new Gatorskin Tires, an almost brand new selle italia saddle. I think most of the other parts are original, but I'm not sure

    Priced at $450, but I think I could get them down to ~$400.

    I know that Miyata made their own tubing in house, and that the bianchi's rear triangle is a weak point, but what are your opinions on the two?

    I feel like the bianchi is winning me over to some extent, simply because it is beautiful and italian.

    Please Halp!

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    I sure wouldn't mind seeing mugshots of the two suspects....

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    http://images.craigslist.org/3n93kb3...7fb43b165c.jpg the miyata photo is pretty low res, however I'm probably going to take a look at it tomorrow.

    the bianchi: http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/i...%20250/ddd.jpg

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    I'd vote for the Bianchi. One of my favorite bikes ever was my Nuovo Touring (same frame geometry and tubing as the NR, but with more clearance for bigger tires and fenders). Absolutely loved the way it rode and handled (and I'm picky about such things). But the frame did break on me - the downtube hadn't been brazed properly, and there was a large gap at the downtube/headtube junction, which was supported only by the mild steel lug. Keep in mind that this was after probably 5 years of high mileage commuting and training with a 6'3", 175lb rider. If the one you're looking at is still in one piece, it was most likely built right and should give you lots of happy miles.

    One possible disadvantage to the Bianchi is the Campy derailleurs. They're beautifully made and will probably outlast you, but wide-range they are not. A 26 tooth cog is about all they can handle in back. But that's enough for many folks. In any case, I'd say the Bianchi is worth buying and upgrading things here and there as needed.

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    +1 on the Bianchi

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    Bianchi. Nothing against the Miyata, but if you later decided to upgrade, it would be easier to find a buyer for a celeste Bianchi. If you are considering the Miyata solely on the fact that it might be ready to ride, offer him what you would offer for the Bianchi, but explain why the low-ball. The worst he can do is say "No."
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    Well, I guess I am the first vote for the Miyata. Assuming both bikes fit, I would buy whichever one was in the best condition.

    Those prices are really high for around here, but you are in the LA market, so maybe that's the market.

    I've got a Nuovo Racing in my "to be rebuilt" queue right now. Maybe I need to move it ahead of some of the other bikes!

    Mine needs a "little" TLC and a donor bike... At least I have the crankset, bottom bracket and stuck seat post out.

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    well I have to vote for the Bianchi. not that I have anything against the Myata. are they both the same size? which one fits you?

    while the parts on the Bianchi may seem an odd mix it was rather common then to mix parts like that. you get quality Campi deraileurs and then use the various Modolo, Universal, Ofmega etc parts to make you price points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
    well I have to vote for the Bianchi.
    The biggest surprise vote, right here.... let me tell you!

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    I'll always covet Celeste Bianchi but I flipped a pristine nine16 that was way too big for me and I thought it was a spectacular bike with all cyclone. I'd be tempted to go that way. Both are quality bikes so pick your favourite.

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    One vote for the miyata

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    two votes miyata. the miyata likely has brifters since it is a 916 (i know by 1993 they had them), though i cannot really tell from the pictures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrk101 View Post
    Well, I guess I am the first vote for the Miyata. Assuming both bikes fit, I would buy whichever one was in the best condition.

    Those prices are really high for around here, but you are in the LA market, so maybe that's the market.

    I've got a Nuovo Racing in my "to be rebuilt" queue right now. Maybe I need to move it ahead of some of the other bikes!

    Mine needs a "little" TLC and a donor bike... At least I have the crankset, bottom bracket and stuck seat post out.

    You got this in Atlanta? I feel like I saw this photo before..
    By the way, one vote for the Bianchi...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sokito View Post
    You got this in Atlanta? I feel like I saw this photo before..
    By the way, one vote for the Bianchi...
    Yes, I believe I bought it from you. Seat post was really badly stuck, and drive side crank refused to come off. I had to pull the bottom bracket FIRST (try removing a fixed cup with the drive crank still mounted, that was interesting), then put the assembly into my bench vise to get a better grip on the crank. First time I had to do that! Bike is way back in the queue with about a half dozene other tougher projects, as I finish up the easier bikes. Fork has gotten the oxalic treatment, but the main frame has not yet.
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    Miyata.

    There isnt a single part on the Bianchi thats better than its counterpart on the Miyata and the Miyata is probably 10 years newer with a far superior drivetrain. The paint scheme on that particular 916 is spectacular.

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    Another vote for the Miyata Nine 16, it's a great bike. I built up mine from a bare frame, thus the non original parts. More images here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frpax View Post
    The biggest surprise vote, right here.... let me tell you!
    Quote Originally Posted by 3373jones View Post
    two votes miyata. the miyata likely has brifters since it is a 916 (i know by 1993 they had them), though i cannot really tell from the pictures.
    darling you need to go to CVS and get some stronger readers. this myata clearly, even in this CL pic, has DT shifters. if it came with brifters they were harvested!





    I do agree the 9-16 is a nice looking bike, but what why is the model wearing a celeste jersey?

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    Go with the BIANCHI, it's Italian with Campy. Miyata will decrease in value, the Bianchi with Campy will increase in value. The ride quality with Italian road bikes is the best!

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    Miyata has the better component set. Not sure that it has the better frame of the two, though... I'd say ride them both and see which feels the best for you.
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    OK, I'll settle this once and for all.

    Get both.

    The Miyata is a really nice bike; I own a Miyata (not that one...), and that particular one is really cool.

    But you have to ask yourself, do you think you'll ever regret NOT getting the Bianchi? Classic Italian steel frame with classic Italian components?

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    Quote Originally Posted by frpax View Post
    OK, I'll settle this once and for all.

    Get both.

    The Miyata is a really nice bike; I own a Miyata (not that one...), and that particular one is really cool.

    But you have to ask yourself, do you think you'll ever regret NOT getting the Bianchi? Classic Italian steel frame with classic Italian components?

    This forum is putting me on a scary path down the dark road of addiction! But in all seriousness, thank you all for the insightful responses.

    I'm gonna test ride the Miyata today, and see how the fit is. Though they are both the same size, I've been told that the Bianchi has a slightly longer top tube, which could be problematic (I have long legs and a short torso)

    The man selling the bianchi appears to be flipping a fair amount of classic ~80's road bikes, and has some univegas and Centurions. Any thoughts? I know they don't have the reputation of Bianchi or Miyata, but they are running about a hundred dollars less. Also I'm trying to ID the drivetrain on this univega... I know it's shimano, but can't tell if it is 105.

    I know $100 isn't a lot of cash, but both fortunately and unfortunately I'm still in the broke college kid stage of my life, so wages are low. I'm certainly open to investing in a bike, or getting a second, but at this point options are limited.

    @wrk101: I think the cost of gas, combined with the novelty of "going green" to some people has caused a surge in the "vintage" bike market with LA hipsters. Fortunately I'm not putting up this much cash for the same thing: http://cgi.ebay.com/58cm-1982-BIANCH...item19bd1a7ee2

    @MiamiJim: Thanks for your take on it. The one qualm I had with the Miyata was the paint, but that aspect of personal preferance is far from significant...

    @Teetime: Yes, I took a look at your build thread, and I must say I was impressed. Very clean setup.
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    Uh, Bianchi? I can't imagine it'd take much thought to come up with that choice. Of course I personally love Bianchis, and any classic Campy equipped Italian bike.

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    if you are a woman, choose the bianchi otherwise...

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    the Bianchi on ebay looks bigger than the other two. also while it appears to be a nice bike it is a bit overpriiced at $600+
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrk101 View Post
    Yes, I believe I bought it from you. Seat post was really badly stuck, and drive side crank refused to come off. I had to pull the bottom bracket FIRST (try removing a fixed cup with the drive crank still mounted, that was interesting), then put the assembly into my bench vise to get a better grip on the crank. First time I had to do that! Bike is way back in the queue with about a half dozene other tougher projects, as I finish up the easier bikes. Fork has gotten the oxalic treatment, but the main frame has not yet.
    No it wasn't me. I was contacting the seller, but I wasn't sure of whether I could deal with that. Obviously by that time I wasn't aware of oxalic acid treatment. I think it was a couple of months ago right? Looking forward to seeing your before and after shots soon

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