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Old 08-09-10, 12:28 PM   #1
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Suggestions/Opinions on Tire Choices

Seems like when we discuss tires the consensus often points to the Panaracer Pasela. I'm looking to see if anyone can provide some comparison between the Pasela and some other similar offerings out there...

I'm converting my 27" wheel'd Cheapo Commuter to 700c and I want a tire in the 28-32 range. Like I said, its for a commuter so some level of flat protection is a must.

Here's what I like so far:

Gran Compe ENE Ciclo http://www.velo-orange.com/grcoeneciti7.html
Panaracer Ruffy Tuffy http://www.velo-orange.com/paru700x28ti.html
Panaracer Pasela White http://www.velo-orange.com/pawhpatg700x.html
Riv. Jack Brown http://www.rivbike.com/products/show...en-blue/10-092

any suggestions? Experiences? Other tires I should consider?
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The two on your list I can speak about from experience are the Ruffy Tuffy and the Pasela. I like 'em both and have put lots of miles on both. The 32mm Pasela is very close in feel to the Ruffy Tuffy in my view. The bees knees, however, is the Grand Bois tire, whether 28mm or 30mm, just $8/tire more than the Ruffy Tuffy.

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I just put 27 x 1 1/8 Paselas on my Fuji Touring Series III. I can tell you the ride is just great. Some of that may be the more relaxed geometry of the frame than what I'm typically used to and the fact that it's been a LONG time since I've run anything as big as 28mm tires. But wow...it's really smoooooth. For the money I think it's hard to beat the Paselas in either version.
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I'm not adverse to spending a few extra bux on tires. Over the last few months I've come to appreciate the positive effect a good tire has on the ride of a bike.

Do you have any specific recommendations for Grand Bois tires?
The Hetre looks great **edit** nevermind... its only in 650B...and the tire I'd go with should have been pretty obvious to me...Cypress if I want 30mm, Cerf if I want 28 or 26mm.

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Also on that site you linked to there is a good review of many of these tires from Bicycle Quarterly
http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com/i...64TireTest.pdf
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Vittoria rubino pros if you care about handling, ride quality, and rolling resistance at all.
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Vittoria rubino pros if you care about handling, ride quality, and rolling resistance at all.
In the 28-32 range? I don't think they make the Rubino Pro's that big.
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Vittoria rubino pros if you care about handling, ride quality, and rolling resistance at all.
believe it or not, I DO care about those things although they are only available in 23 and 25...too small for what I want in this case.

I run the higher-end tires, the Vittoria Open Corsa (320tpi vs 60tpi for the Rubino's) , on my Team Miyata and they are the tires that introduced me to what a wonderful difference a good tire makes not the most puncture resistant tire I've ridden but the ride is like buttah.
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I'm not adverse to spending a few extra bux on tires. Over the last few months I've come to appreciate the positive effect a good tire has on the ride of a bike.

Do you have any specific recommendations for Grand Bois tires?
The Hetre looks great **edit** nevermind... its only in 650B...and the tire I'd go with should have been pretty obvious to me...Cypress if I want 30mm, Cerf if I want 28 or 26mm.

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Also on that site you linked to there is a good review of many of these tires from Bicycle Quarterly
http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com/i...64TireTest.pdf
From what I've heard, the Grand Boys tires cost 2-3x as much as Paselas, for minimal, if any, improvement.

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That would make some sense Bobby.
Front what I just finished reading, the Grand Bois tires are made by Panaracer for the maker of Grand Bois bicycles.

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with outstanding performance.
http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com/i...64TireTest.pdf
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From what I've heard, the Grand Boys tires cost 2-3x as much as Paselas, for minimal, if any, improvement.

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I haven't heard, but I have ridden Grand Bois Cypres, Panaracer Pasela (in a variety of widths and TG and non-TG) and Ruffy Tuffys. I've put in lots of miles on all types, and the Grand Bois tires (30mm) are by far the cushiest and the fastest. Some believe they're more prone to flats, but I can report that I have two pair on two different bikes that get lots of miles, and I've had a total of two flats (one on each bike). I've had just as many flats on Pasela TG tires (which I do like a lot; can't beat the value) with fewer miles.

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I used the Kevlar version of the Jack Brown on the only bike I ride. They were friggin' comfy. Wow. I couldn't squeeze them in when I put fenders on my bike so I replaced them with the Ruffy Tuffy. I love them. AFAIK, they're just slicker looking Paselas. Are they any "faster" than the Jack Browns? Who knows. Are the Jack Browns any more comfy than the Ruffy Tuffys? 'Lil bit.

FYI, if your LBS sells Panaracers they can get the Jack Browns and Ruffy Tuffys.

I've never had a flat with any Panaracer model with Kevlar.

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I haven't tried most of those tires, but I wonder how much better they can be for the prices! Those prices are a lot higher than the price of the Pasela.

I'm riding the NON-tourguard version of Paselas, and I don't think I've had any flats on them. But I think I read that the tourguard version has more threads per inch, so it could ride better. Mine are quite cushy and fast, though. Maybe you should try the Pasela-TG.

I'm pretty sure Mitsuboshi is a competitor to Panaracer, so if a tire is made by one company, it's not made by the other. The other Japanese company I know about is IRC. Mitsuboshi made the Specialized tires in the late 70's and early 80's. IRC made Avocet tires in the 80's. I'm a huge fan of Japanese bike tires.

These Taiwan and Korean made bike tires are pretty good, too. They're even cheaper than Panaracer. Cheng Shin Tire (CST) has the old Panaracer molds.
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Schwalbe Marathons are good tires and they appear to have tougher sidewalls than the Panaracers. I like the Panaracers, but have cut the sidewalls though not enough to fail the tire. I bought Schwalbes from Wiggle at a reasonable price and their shipping is pretty quick, considering.
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FYI, if your LBS sells Panaracers they can get the Jack Browns and Ruffy Tuffys.
I think that's true for the Ruffy Tuffys but not for the Jack Browns.
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In the 28-32 range? I don't think they make the Rubino Pro's that big.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ht_3805wt_1042

I'm sure you could find them cheaper somewhere else if you looked around. Those are the 3s with the higher TPI casing.

They have the 2's on amazon for not such a good price

http://www.amazon.com/Vittoria-Rubin.../dp/B001D770JI
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Definitely Leaning towards the Jack Brown Blue Label or the Grand Bois Cypress


...good thing is I've got 2 700c wheel'd bikes that need tires, one right now and another within a month or two
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believe it or not, I DO care about those things although they are only available in 23 and 25...too small for what I want in this case.

I run the higher-end tires, the Vittoria Open Corsa (320tpi vs 60tpi for the Rubino's) , on my Team Miyata and they are the tires that introduced me to what a wonderful difference a good tire makes not the most puncture resistant tire I've ridden but the ride is like buttah.
See above, they have them in 28c and they are now 150tpi

I have the 23c rubino pro 3 slicks on my bianchi, and my last set of tires were the 120tpi rubino pro 2, love them all.
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For a commuter/city ride tire I like the Michelin City, although quite firm and little feedback on the tire but well to the right side of bullet proof. Another I just went to was he Panaracer RibMo tire in a 32c size. Probably on par with a 700x30C size, light with a nice profile and they really do stick where you put them. A lot more and better feedback than the Michelin City's. No flats yet and I don't go out of my way to avoid anything.
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I haven't heard, but I have ridden Grand Bois Cypres, Panaracer Pasela (in a variety of widths and TG and non-TG) and Ruffy Tuffys. I've put in lots of miles on all types, and the Grand Bois tires (30mm) are by far the cushiest and the fastest. Some believe they're more prone to flats, but I can report that I have two pair on two different bikes that get lots of miles, and I've had a total of two flats (one on each bike). I've had just as many flats on Pasela TG tires (which I do like a lot; can't beat the value) with fewer miles.

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Neal, what did you ride on the D2R2 last year? I'm curious how well the Gran Bois lineup handles gravel/possible sharp rocks.
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Incidentally, I realize the subject of Tire Choice comes up a lot...so thanks for all the replies folks.
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Neal, what did you ride on the D2R2 last year? I'm curious how well the Gran Bois lineup handles gravel/possible sharp rocks.
I rode my now-departed Kogswell, so I was on 650B Panaracer Col de la vie tires. If I were riding the D2R2 this year (we're leaving for our annual family trip to mid-coast Maine that day), I'd be on my Ebisu w/ 650B Grand Bois Hetre tires at 35 psi.

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believe it or not, I DO care about those things although they are only available in 23 and 25...too small for what I want in this case.

I run the higher-end tires, the Vittoria Open Corsa (320tpi vs 60tpi for the Rubino's) , on my Team Miyata and they are the tires that introduced me to what a wonderful difference a good tire makes not the most puncture resistant tire I've ridden but the ride is like buttah.
Me, too. I bought a pair when I needed a new set of Continental GP 4000's, and PBK was out of stock. I've got the Open Corsa's on all my bikes, now.

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Zaphod, Why is the Panarace white in the line up? Is the Super Course getting a new look?
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I think that's true for the Ruffy Tuffys but not for the Jack Browns.
I bought a set of each from my LBS so I speak from experience.
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OK, so you're looking at HIGH END tires for your El Cheapo commuter. That's not as crazy as it sounds, so now I understand where you're coming from. The Open Corsa and the Continental GP 4000's get great reviews, and they better, at those prices. If that's what you're after, why not get the best, and get one of those two.

The Pasela is really a mid-line tire. It's not the best tire out there, but it's an excellent value for many purposes. I typically pay about $18 for the non-Tourguard version. Yes, the sidewall is vulnerable, but that's probably also what makes it ride well. The sidewall merely holds pressure and doesn't protect, so it gives a supple ride.
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