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Old 08-09-10, 08:26 PM   #1
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New project - CL Bargain *UPDATE*

I just scored a gorgeous 60cm Marinoni "Special" frameset for a "can't say no" price on Craigslist. The serial number begins with a "3", which I believe either makes it a 1983 or 1993 manufacture, if I understand the Marinoni numbering correctly. The headset and seat lug bolt are both Gipiemme and the rear spacing is 125mm, so I'm inclined to think it is a 1983 frame. The tubing is Reynolds 531, and it has Campagnolo dropouts.

Marinoni lore (from what I've gathered on the web) is that Guiseppe Marinoni was an Italian racer who apprenticed with Ugo De Rosa before moving to Montreal and establishing the Marinoni workshop in the early 70's, and he apparently still does his own brazing today.

I picked it up for, ummmm...... really cheap.

The frame has certainly seen some use - scratches and a few spots of surface rust, plus considerable marking in the dropouts - but it seems to be in really solid shape. There does not appear to be any sign of rust in the bottom bracket or seat tube, and the frame drain holes do not show any telltale orange dust (The frame was pretty dirty when I got it). I removed the dropout set screws.

I am planning to send the frame to the Marinoni workshop in Montreal to have the front derailluer braze-on removed, an eyelet brazed onto the top of the front dropout and the frame repainted and fitted with time appropriate decals. The folks at Marinoni tell me they can do the work for $200-$300.

I will be building the bike up as a porteur-inspired retro ride, using a mix of new and old components (I'd imagine Velo Orange will be getting some business from me ). I'll stick with singlespeed or perhaps the SA S3X IGH.

I'll keep folks posted. Some "before" pics are attached........
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Old 08-09-10, 08:46 PM   #2
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Beautiful find! my size too...I was just in the market for a fixed project frame on a 75$ budget.... had to settle for a 92' trek 400....
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Pretty frame, can't wait to see how it looks once you slap some clothes on it.
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Pretty frame, can't wait to see how it looks once you slap some clothes on it.
Will do. I'll get some pics after it returns from Montreal, then after it is built up.

I'll be going with polished components and a Brooks or VO leather saddle/grips.

I'm debating colors right now. I'm stuck between these:

http://www.marinoni.qc.ca/Images/Col...Res/Fraise.jpg
http://www.marinoni.qc.ca/Images/Col...ngeIntense.jpg
http://www.marinoni.qc.ca/Images/Col...itishGreen.jpg
http://www.marinoni.qc.ca/Images/Col...ghRes/Gent.jpg and
http://www.marinoni.qc.ca/Images/Col...es/Eclipse.jpg
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Will do. I'll get some pics after it returns from Montreal, then after it is built up.

I'll be going with polished components and a Brooks or VO leather saddle/grips.

I'm debating colors right now. I'm stuck between these:

http://www.marinoni.qc.ca/Images/Col...Res/Fraise.jpg
http://www.marinoni.qc.ca/Images/Col...ngeIntense.jpg
http://www.marinoni.qc.ca/Images/Col...itishGreen.jpg
http://www.marinoni.qc.ca/Images/Col...ghRes/Gent.jpg and
http://www.marinoni.qc.ca/Images/Col...es/Eclipse.jpg
I like the Orange color
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I like the first one, strawberry. It would really pop!
Nice find at 75.00.
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I'm 80% set on the strawberry, with Orange being the only possible alternate.
The frameset is ready to ship and I hope to get the process started soon.

After looking at the SA website, it appears that the S3X is oriented towards narrower spacing - 118mm - than my 125. I know I could probably squeeze the rear end to accommodate the hub, but 7mm seems a tad much.
Instead, I'm thinking I'll go with the S-RF3 which has a stated 127mm spacing on the 175mm axle.

I came across this crankset http://www.interlocracing.com/cranks.html and think it would offer a nice retro look without the worry of a crack/failure of a vintage crank under my 190 lb frame.
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As long as you are sending it in, why don't you just have them respace the frame for you? Then you could put in a modern drivetrain and have the sweetest bike around.
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For some reason, I have been seeing a lot of Marinonis lately. They look like nice frames, but is is so odd(finding them, not the frame itself). Up until about a month ago, I had heard of them, but never seen one in person. Since then, I have come across 4-5.

Nice find! Maybe I'll come across one of my own soon. Had a chance at a really beat up frame for $100, but passed.

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Vote for orange. Nice looking cranks.
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As long as you are sending it in, why don't you just have them respace the frame for you? Then you could put in a modern drivetrain and have the sweetest bike around.
I'd considered having that done - 135mm spacing - and still may. My main focus is sticking with a 3-speed or singlespeed setup

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Marinoni bicycles do seem to be more plentiful these days and my guess is that your's is an early to mid-eighties model. I have owned five Marinoni bicycles including a 52cm early nineties Special I picked up a week or two ago.

My 1976 was built by Mr. Marinoni, of that I am pretty sure. All of the others, including two from the eighties, one from the nineties and one from 2000, I would not stake my reputation on. Though all of the bikes appear to be really well made, they also have distinct differences or aura, for lack of a better word.

MarinoniLynn_Full.jpg Mid to Late eighties Marinoni Special - sold to a friend

MarinoniSpecial_M&.jpg Early to mid eighties Marinoni Special - traded to a friend

Marinoni_Squadra_&.jpg 2000 Marinoni Squadra - my daily ride

Mar_Que2_Full_Sid.jpg 1976 Marinoni featured in MY "TEN SPEEDS.
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I like the original green/blue and would keep it original if it were mine. However, I am not one who will tell you that you should keep it original, it's your bike so do whatever you want to it that will make you ride and enjoy it.

As for the color options--I like the burnt orange but the strawberry is very nice too.
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The bike is packed, shipped, and on its way to its birthplace.

After much to-ing and fro-ing, I have settled on the "Orange Intense" with yellow lettering/highlights. Instead of decals, they will be using their new process to apply the graphics, but will utilize the old font. Cool.

I am also having the rear spacing re-set to 132.5mm to allow easy compatability with 130 and 135mm drivetrains.

The kind folks at Marinoni have sent me a spare set of original decals (at no charge), as well, so I'll have them if I need them for any reason.

When I was picking up the frame box at Campione Cycles (my favorite local shop) the owner offered up a Chris King 1" threaded headset in silver for a great price, so I now have the headset for the build.

I'm pretty sure I will be going with those IRD Defiant cranks in 175mm. Up front, I will most likely go with a Nitto quill to threadless adaptor (I'll have almost no extension from the top of the headset) and a 120mm VO 6 degree stem (flipped), with the VO Porteur bars, and the VO Grand Cru Seatpost.................

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Marinoni bicycles do seem to be more plentiful these days and my guess is that your's is an early to mid-eighties model. I have owned five Marinoni bicycles including a 52cm early nineties Special I picked up a week or two ago.

My 1976 was built by Mr. Marinoni, of that I am pretty sure. All of the others, including two from the eighties, one from the nineties and one from 2000, I would not stake my reputation on. Though all of the bikes appear to be really well made, they also have distinct differences or aura, for lack of a better word.

Attachment 164092 Mid to Late eighties Marinoni Special - sold to a friend

Attachment 164093 Early to mid eighties Marinoni Special - traded to a friend

Attachment 164094 2000 Marinoni Squadra - my daily ride

Attachment 164095 1976 Marinoni featured in MY "TEN SPEEDS.
Nice rides!!!!!!
It is great to see the early 80's special built up so I can see the geometry.
It gives me assurance that mine should be a fantastic basis for my porteur project.
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Project UPDATE

UPDATE on my "neo-retro" Marinoni Special:

The frame arrived today from Montreal, and WOW!

First of all, the plan:
While this frame is definitely a fantastic, classic, hand-brazed, lugged frame in the tradition of the Italian classics, the model is more of a "Club racer" type frame, as evidenced by the single eyelets.
Also, one of the previous owners did a pretty crappy braze-on for a front derailleur, with an equally crappy black rattle can paint band to cover his/her bad brazing work.
Finally, I got the frameset on Craigslist for less than the cost of a decent headset, so in my view is a great candidate for a fun build.

With all this in mind, the frame became (for me) a PERFECT candidate for a classy neo-retro town bike - sort of a cross between a club racer and a porteur.

So, I sent the frame to Marinoni, and had the following work done:
- Remove left shifter boss (preserve the right in case I decide to do an IGH)
- Remove crappy front derailluer hack job
- ***sacrilege****remove derailleur hanger (campy 1010 dropouts)
- re-chrome chainstay
- remove BB shell braze for FD
- add second eyelet to fork to allow for porteur rack
- strip & paint in stunning orange

Anyway, you have seen the "before" in the original post. Here are the "after" shots.
Just for fun, I dry-fit my new crank (IRD campy-esque) to see how it looks.

More pics to follow once it is built up.
I just ordered a set of All-City "Sherriff's Star" Campy C-record inspired track hubs with a fixed/free rear and bought a set of Ambrosio Excellight SSC rims and will do the wheel build as soon as the hubs arrive. Yes, I will be using brass washers

I'm contemplating the task of painting the lug edges, but would hate to mess up. I'd assume that using thinner on a mistake would destroy the clear coat?

More to come:

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That would have made a sweet geared bike, just sayin'.
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That would have made a sweet geared bike, just sayin'.
Oh, for sure. However, I'm pretty much done with derailleurs. I'm an IGH and singlespeed convert after 30 years with many geared drivetrains on many bikes.

The only exception is the blank spot in my stable to fill the void created when I sold my '84 Guerciotti with full SR, ya know, classic road bike. Other than that, I'm an IGH guy now.

I want this frame to be a custom one-off, purpose built, FUN bike, hence the sheared derailleur hanger.
The one thing I missed when having the work done was to have a threaded insert installed on the chainstay bridge for my VO hammered fenders. I'll have to use a P-clip there :facepalm:

While my initial build will be singlespeed, it will probably end up with a SA 3-speed IGH.

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awesome. I always wanted one of these but they are always priced out of my reach. they did all that for $200-$300?
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awesome. I always wanted one of these but they are always priced out of my reach. they did all that for $200-$300?
Yep. I had them re-chrome the chainstay and add a second eyelet to the fork for my VO porteur front rack, so all told it was $300.
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Beautiful and unique, what more could you ask for? Outstanding concept canyoneagle!
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I'm surprised those folks at Marinoni didn't charge you double what you paid. Just on principle.

I like the Orange.
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How big a company is Marinoni? And does old man Marinoni himself still make the frames?
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From my dealings with them, the operation seemed small, "family"-type business, but they were very professional and extremely friendly to deal with. They only have a few people in the shop who speak english, and my French is pretty limited, so I dealt with two people primarily.

As for the master and his brazing torch, I asked the same question, and was told that he still does the brazing work.

I can tell you from the work they did for me that they take great care and pride in their work.
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There was a reference to him in the movie Deux Secondes, which takes place in Montréal. A very nice film, with lots of "in" jokes for cyclists and Canadians. Luckily for me, I already knew what an important name Marinoni is among Canadian cyclists.
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