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    Calling all (any?) Allegro experts!

    As I've been proudly blabbering of my Allegro Special (purchased from a fellow member through ebay; pictures of his set up (given I don't have any as of yet) can be seen here: http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...llegro+Special), I didn't really stop until tonight to look at the serial number. I have been scouring the internet in search of a bike like this one, yet have not been able to find ANYTHING. No Allegro on the 'net has this paint scheme, and I'm suspect that the frame dates back to early '60s. However, having no information on how to date this frame, I can't say anything for sure.

    Stamped on the seat tube is "190932". Something peculiar being that there is another numbed engraved just an inch or so below the seatpost, number being "77 G" Turning the bike over, the bottom bracket has a "DF" and a few inches across from it, a "48."

    No clue what any of those indicate. I'm hoping someone here may be able to help me??

    Thanks!
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    Do a web search for Craig Griffith. He's the "Allegro guy" in the States. He has a small web site on the marque but I do not know the url. He can easily be found in the CR archives or through Google.

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    Here's one link to Craig Griffith:
    http://www.swissbicycles.com/
    I think he's even been an occasional poster to this forum...he's certainly the go-to guy for Allegro, and based in SLO, Calif.
    The marking on the BB shell should be GF for Georg Fischer: these sandcast steel BB shells were very common on Allegros, and were used by some British builders and Italian masters (I'm thinking DeRosa, but maybe have that wrong) as well.

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    Your Allegro dates to 1964-65, based upon what I have learned from assembling a small collection (eight) of Allegros in the last several years. Here are some pics of one of them, serial no. 200000 which I believe to be a 1965. Since it had been updated by the original owner with modern Campagnolo components, I had only the original wheels with a CAM65 date stamp and a Record FD with the non-slotted cable stop plus my other Allegros to use as 'dating' guides. I could be off by a year. Nice Allegro, I almost bought it from sailorbenjamin a while back.



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    Here's what Greg told me when I asked him a while back;
    Hi Ben, looks to be about a 1965-66 Allegro Special,
    Just after the changed from the Nervex lugs to the BCM lugs. Made in Switzerland in Marin outside of
    Neauchatel. Company founded in 1914 by Arnold Granjean. This was the tail end of the real nice
    Allegros in my opinion. 700c sewup rims were used on these. The wheel sets I
    have along with the handelbars sets would be correct. Mostlikely it had Campagnolo gran sport
    derailuers, hubs, handlebar end shifters,seat post, and a stronglight crank and headset, bottom
    bracket. Weinmann rims and brakes. Brooks B-17 saddle and Lyotard Berthet pedals. Reynolds 531 tubing generally butted all tubes. I am an Allegro fan. Nice bike. Let me know if I can help in any way.
    He seems like a nice guy.
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    WOW that's a very pretty Allegro^, I had not seen one with those lugs before. You are now the "Allegro guy" for C&V, since you've owned 8!
    Just to hi-jack the thread a little, I have a few Allegro decals available, not as old as mid-'60s vintage but more appropriate for mid '70s...some from Greg Softley and some from Velocals:
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    Quote Originally Posted by retyred View Post
    Your Allegro dates to 1964-65, based upon what I have learned from assembling a small collection (eight) of Allegros in the last several years. Here are some pics of one of them, serial no. 200000 which I believe to be a 1965. Since it had been updated by the original owner with modern Campagnolo components, I had only the original wheels with a CAM65 date stamp and a Record FD with the non-slotted cable stop plus my other Allegros to use as 'dating' guides. I could be off by a year. Nice Allegro, I almost bought it from sailorbenjamin a while back.





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    That is a seriously beautiful bicycle you got there. Has it been repainted/rechromed at all? I'm thoroughly impressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unworthy1 View Post
    WOW that's a very pretty Allegro^, I had not seen one with those lugs before. You are now the "Allegro guy" for C&V, since you've owned 8!
    Just to hi-jack the thread a little, I have a few Allegro decals available, not as old as mid-'60s vintage but more appropriate for mid '70s...some from Greg Softley and some from Velocals:
    Definitely appreciate the heads up, but while I initially thought I wanted to repaint/rechrome and get new decals (maybe still, in the future), this Allegro is serving as my commuter bike currently and I don't want it to catch the eye of any thieves roaming around Cincinnati. Also, I like the aesthetic of it, the rough patches of paint and fading decals. I should post some updated pics when I get a hold of a camera just to get a compare/contrast from what Sailorbenjamen had going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sailorbenjamin View Post
    Here's what Greg told me when I asked him a while back;
    Hi Ben, looks to be about a 1965-66 Allegro Special,
    Just after the changed from the Nervex lugs to the BCM lugs. Made in Switzerland in Marin outside of
    Neauchatel. Company founded in 1914 by Arnold Granjean. This was the tail end of the real nice
    Allegros in my opinion. 700c sewup rims were used on these. The wheel sets I
    have along with the handelbars sets would be correct. Mostlikely it had Campagnolo gran sport
    derailuers, hubs, handlebar end shifters,seat post, and a stronglight crank and headset, bottom
    bracket. Weinmann rims and brakes. Brooks B-17 saddle and Lyotard Berthet pedals. Reynolds 531 tubing generally butted all tubes. I am an Allegro fan. Nice bike. Let me know if I can help in any way.
    He seems like a nice guy.


    He definitely seems to be a good dude. I'm kind of impressed at how accurate my initial estimate was on the date of the frame given I've only been dealing with vintage bike for just shy of a year, now. Thanks for sharing this info -- when I got the link to your post with the Allegro pics, I thought about posting another comment or sending you a PM, then decided that you'd probably see this thread at one point or another

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    Quote Originally Posted by unworthy1 View Post
    Here's one link to Craig Griffith:
    http://www.swissbicycles.com/
    I think he's even been an occasional poster to this forum...he's certainly the go-to guy for Allegro, and based in SLO, Calif.
    The marking on the BB shell should be GF for Georg Fischer: these sandcast steel BB shells were very common on Allegros, and were used by some British builders and Italian masters (I'm thinking DeRosa, but maybe have that wrong) as well.


    I actually had contacted him about what he's quoting on some of his NOS frames, but I was more so just curious than anything else considering I had just paid Sailorbenjamen for the specific bike in question. He actually had a link to Mr. Griffith's website on the auction description, thus I looked into it. I'm thinking I'll take some detailed pics of the serial numbers and other markings and send it into him to see what he has to say. Not to mention it's something I need to do in case (forbid it!) I ever need to fill out a police report on a missing bicycle. Buddy of mine had his and his girlfriend's bike stolen and police couldn't help him without a record of the serial number.

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    Here's couple more pics from when I first got it. Lots of stickers and other junk but it shows the original fade and the location of some of the bits that were in that bag, including the SA shift cable wheel. Not sure why it had one of those.








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    Quote Originally Posted by TheManSuit View Post
    That is a seriously beautiful bicycle you got there. Has it been repainted/rechromed at all? I'm thoroughly impressed.
    Thanks, it's definitely a keeper. I know very little of its history, only that it belonged to a gentleman who lived in Pasadena and was an avid rider. It could be a repaint done many years ago. I also bought the Allegro that belonged to his wife which I believe is a 1961 Special. Here are some pics.


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    Quote Originally Posted by retyred View Post
    Thanks, it's definitely a keeper. I know very little of its history, only that it belonged to a gentleman who lived in Pasadena and was an avid rider. It could be a repaint done many years ago. I also bought the Allegro that belonged to his wife which I believe is a 1961 Special. Here are some pics.


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    Ah, gotta love that paint job. Looks fairly similar to my frame, the decals & all, aside from being a different color and having the wonderful fade/smoke effect, whatever they call it. Looks like the lugging is nearly identical as well. At any rate, once again -- very nice ride!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sailorbenjamin View Post
    Here's couple more pics from when I first got it. Lots of stickers and other junk but it shows the original fade and the location of some of the bits that were in that bag, including the SA shift cable wheel. Not sure why it had one of those.
    That first picture is absolutely epic, haha. Heralding of the Allegro, I think I'll call it.

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    Those Weinmann centerpulls certainly put it in the 60s.

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    I was down in the basement at an odd time of day and the sun came through that window in a way it never usually did. It was like a bike cathedral in there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sailorbenjamin View Post
    It was like a bike cathedral in there.
    +25 on "Bike Cathedral."

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