Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 10-25-10, 09:56 PM   #1
abchurch
Member
Thread Starter
 
abchurch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Southwestern CT
Bikes: '66 Schwinn SS, 2006 Specialized Sirrus Comp, 2010 Trek 520, 2010 Custom Specialized Allez/Ultegra
Posts: 44
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
'74 Raleigh International

Born today, my new utility / light touring bike, built on a 1974 Raleigh International frame refinished by Keith Anderson of Grants Pass, OR.
74 Intl..jpg 74 Intl 2..jpg 74 Intl 3..jpg 74 Intl 4..jpg


Details:

1974 Raleigh International
Bronze Green 23.5" Frame
Painted by Keith Anderson
Velocity Dyad 622mm rims
Laced by Rich Lesnik onto
Shimano Ultegra Hubs using
DTSwiss double butted steel spokes
Panaracer Pasela Tourguard 700x32 tires
Sugino Alpina Velo Orange 2-ring crankset, 172.5mm, 34/48
Velo Orange Grand Cru BB 110mm
Shimano 6600 FD & RD
Shimano Ultegra 9-sp freewheel cassette 12/25
Shimano Ultegra 9-sp chain
Paul Comp Racer centerpull brakes
Shimano ST-6500 shifter brake levers
Nitto Technomic stem 100mm
Nitto 177 Noodle handlebar
Velo Orange Grand Cru headset
Huret STI cable stop clamp
Campagnolo shifter cable guide
Velo Orange setback seatpost
Brooks B17 saddle & leather tape
Peter White Urban Platform pedals
Brooks clips & straps
Nitto R33 Campee rear rack

More photos on my flickr page here.

Last edited by abchurch; 10-26-10 at 04:20 PM.
abchurch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-10, 10:02 PM   #2
4Rings6Stars
Seņor Member
 
4Rings6Stars's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Boston
Bikes: Lots of em.
Posts: 1,697
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Stunning.
4Rings6Stars is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-10, 10:07 PM   #3
sjt78
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Western NY
Bikes:
Posts: 317
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Very beautiful. The paint looks amazing.
sjt78 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-10, 10:08 PM   #4
mkeller234
Rustbelt Rider
 
mkeller234's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Canton, OH
Bikes: 1990 Trek 1420 - 1978 Raleigh Professional - 1973 Schwinn Collegiate - 1974 Schwinn Suburban
Posts: 8,304
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Very nice bike. Shifting really runs the gamut, Shimano STI - Huret cable stop - Campagnolo cable guide - Shimano derailluer.
__________________
|^^^^^^^^^^^^^^| ||
|......GO.BROWNS........| ||'|";, ___.
|_..._..._______===|=||_|__|..., ] -
"(@)'(@)"""''"**|(@)(@)*****''(@)
mkeller234 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-10, 10:15 PM   #5
rothenfield1
Senior Member
 
rothenfield1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Montereyish
Bikes:
Posts: 2,330
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
You've got a real prize there. Gorgeous!
rothenfield1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-10, 10:23 PM   #6
gitarzan
Lost Again
 
gitarzan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Columbus, Oh!
Bikes: Soma Saga, 1991 Sirrus, Specialized Secteur Elite, Miele Umbria Elite.
Posts: 1,041
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
That bike makes my heart ache. Beautiful.
gitarzan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-10, 10:43 PM   #7
abchurch
Member
Thread Starter
 
abchurch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Southwestern CT
Bikes: '66 Schwinn SS, 2006 Specialized Sirrus Comp, 2010 Trek 520, 2010 Custom Specialized Allez/Ultegra
Posts: 44
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, and thanks again... I'm flattered to no end to receive kind feedback of this sort from such far flung centers of America's cycling history, especially under my bed!!
abchurch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-10, 10:48 PM   #8
snarkypup
Senior Member
 
snarkypup's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Around Seattle
Bikes: 1969 Raleigh Sports: The Root Beer Bomber
Posts: 1,268
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Lovely. A very understated classic. I'd be proud to ride it.
snarkypup is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-10, 11:04 PM   #9
mkeller234
Rustbelt Rider
 
mkeller234's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Canton, OH
Bikes: 1990 Trek 1420 - 1978 Raleigh Professional - 1973 Schwinn Collegiate - 1974 Schwinn Suburban
Posts: 8,304
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
I liked the pedals on your bike and looked them up... talk about sticker shock!
__________________
|^^^^^^^^^^^^^^| ||
|......GO.BROWNS........| ||'|";, ___.
|_..._..._______===|=||_|__|..., ] -
"(@)'(@)"""''"**|(@)(@)*****''(@)
mkeller234 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-10, 06:33 AM   #10
b dub 
CL Addict
 
b dub's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Evanston, IL
Bikes:
Posts: 837
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Your International looks awesome. What was the original color, copper or champagne?

Would you be willing to share how you ended up with this frame and what you had to go through to have it build up like this?

Oh, and welcome to the club...
__________________
'50s Leon Cattrysse - '72 Canadian Tire Company Supercycle - '74 Raleigh International - '83 Nishiki Cresta -
'84 Centurion Turbo - '86 v. Herwerden (Chesini) - '87 Specialized Sirrus - '88 Trek 2000 - '92 Schwinn Paramount Series 30

Last edited by b dub; 10-26-10 at 06:41 AM.
b dub is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-10, 06:39 AM   #11
Andrew F
Senior Member
 
Andrew F's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: New Jersey
Bikes:
Posts: 904
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
What a beauty!
Andrew F is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-10, 06:54 AM   #12
auchencrow 
Senior Member
 
auchencrow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Detroit
Bikes:
Posts: 10,330
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Breathtaking !
__________________
- Auchen
auchencrow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-10, 07:44 AM   #13
abchurch
Member
Thread Starter
 
abchurch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Southwestern CT
Bikes: '66 Schwinn SS, 2006 Specialized Sirrus Comp, 2010 Trek 520, 2010 Custom Specialized Allez/Ultegra
Posts: 44
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by mkeller234 View Post
I liked the pedals on your bike and looked them up... talk about sticker shock!
Me too! Of course they are really well built.
White Industries Urban Platform
abchurch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-10, 08:11 AM   #14
dbakl
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Bikes: Cinelli, Paramount, Raleigh, Carlton, Zeus, Gemniani, Frejus, Legnano, Pinarello, Falcon
Posts: 5,775
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Is that the frame that was on ebay? Looked great, but too big for me!
dbakl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-10, 08:28 AM   #15
JohnDThompson 
Old fart
 
JohnDThompson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Appleton WI
Bikes: Several, mostly not name brands.
Posts: 16,771
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 214 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by mkeller234 View Post
I liked the pedals on your bike and looked them up... talk about sticker shock!
Well you can always pick up a set of Lyotard #23 pedals, on which the White pedals were modelled:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Marcel-B...item4cf2a15b66

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Marcel-B...item4cf2a151ad

http://cgi.ebay.com/NOS-Berthet-Lyot...item3f043b9a5b
JohnDThompson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-10, 09:57 AM   #16
rhm
multimodal commuter
 
rhm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: NJ, NYC, LI
Bikes: 1940s Fothergill, 1959 Allegro Special, 1963? Claud Butler Olympic Sprint, Lambert 'Clubman', 1974 Fuji "the Ace", 1976 Holdsworth 650b conversion rando bike, 1983 Trek 720 tourer, 1984 Counterpoint Opus II, 1993 Basso Gap, 2010 Downtube 8h, and...
Posts: 16,109
Mentioned: 53 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 235 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnDThompson View Post
Oh, great, I wouldn't mind picking up one of those... though now I wonder how many of us will be bidding against one another for them.
rhm is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-10, 10:43 AM   #17
Force 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Bikes:
Posts: 593
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Beautiful bike. Very tastefully done.
Force is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-10, 11:52 AM   #18
abchurch
Member
Thread Starter
 
abchurch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Southwestern CT
Bikes: '66 Schwinn SS, 2006 Specialized Sirrus Comp, 2010 Trek 520, 2010 Custom Specialized Allez/Ultegra
Posts: 44
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by b dub View Post
Your International looks awesome. What was the original color, copper or champagne?

Would you be willing to share how you ended up with this frame and what you had to go through to have it build up like this?

Oh, and welcome to the club...
Thanks, great question.

Since getting back into cycling a few years ago I've been trying to figure out what I don't quite like about the 2006 Specialized Sirrus Comp my LBS set me up with. All in all it's a great utility bike, versatile, reliable, not too ugly, but for some reason I couldn't connect in the way I had many years before with my 1974 silver Motobecane Mirage.

Little by little I started learning more about materials, components, and geometry. I replaced the flat bar with a drop bar, installed STI shifters, put on some stronger wheels with 700x32 tires, a Brooks saddle... I got really close to what I was after. But there were a couple issues I just couldn't get around... I wanted steel, for ride and reparability, and I wanted a bigger frame, for sitting up and/or stretching out.

So I decided to look for a great vintage steel frame onto which to migrate and continue to develop my build. By this time I knew how to describe what I wanted - a strong, nimble utility / light touring bike.

I read tons, and also corresponded almost daily with my cousin, a gifted amateur mechanic and wheelsmith with a fantastic collection of Raleighs. Sheldon Brown's great articles led me to consider the Raleigh International. (I guess I was also nudged a little by Google search results, which included a link to my former hometown airport, Raleigh Durham Intl.) Signs were good to look for a 23.5" International.

Then this frame showed up on eBay a few weeks ago (yes, it's the one dbakl asked about). It was built in the Carlton shop in late Feb, 1974. I have no information about the previous owner/s or the original color (as you suggest, it would have been Chartreuse or Champagne); I should ask Keith Anderson, who did a great job painting the frame Bronze Green, a color not available on the International after 1970 or 1971. I bought the frame through Don's Bike Center in Grants Pass, OR. Don was very helpful in taking a number of measurements I needed for making my decision.

What ended up making this build exceptionally easy was the fact that the fork and the bottom tube were of standard British ISO thread, not Raleigh's proprietary 26 TPI. As soon as I installed the headset and the bottom bracket I knew this was going to be a fun build. The rear spacing is 126mm, so there's some pulling apart required to mount my 130mm Ultegra hubs, but I have shoes that give me more trouble than that.

I'd planned on using dual pivot caliper brakes, but centerpulls just feel right for this bike, even if it is not a replica. I like the Dia-Compe Gran Comp 610 brakes, but the Paul Comp Racers really caught my eye, and brakes are certainly important enough to justify going premium.

My first attempt to mount the brakes left me frustrated - I'd been concerned about the front brake, but it turned out the fork accepted recessed brake mounting nut (?). But the problem was with the rear - the bolt was not long enough for a nutted installation, and the bolt was really tight in the brake housing. I couldn't wrench it free, and I didn't want to ruin this brand new expensive thing trying, so I temporarily decided to return the Pauls. After some deliberation, though, I reasoned it would make no sense at all for that bolt not to be removable, so I went at it one more time with a bit more resolve. This time it broke free (loctite!!) and from that point it was a simple matter to replace it with a longer 6mm bolt. I wasted some time looking for half moon washers at local shops, came back home and found them in stock at Amazon. All worth the extra effort... these brakes are wonderful.

Drive train choices were informed by several things, including the Velocity Dyad / Ultegra wheels Rich Lesnik built for me, which were absolutely going on this bike. Instead of the 3-ring crank of my Sirrus, I wanted only a 2-ring crank for this version of the bike. I'm already a fan of the Sugino Alpina Velo Orange edition (from my 1966 Schwinn Super Sport rebuild), which at 34/48 makes for a great all rounder. Probably would have been wiser to stick with 9-speed 6500 series front and rear derailleurs, but I gambled with the 10-speed 6600 series, and thankfully it works fine, especially now that I have it really dialed in. For my riding the 12-25 rear cassette combines well with the 34/48 crank. (I spend most time with chain on 48t ring shifting between 19, 17, 15, & 14).

I had added ST-6500 shifters to the Sirrus and find I really like them, so they were invited to come along for the ride. That meant I needed some downtube cable stops. Luckily I found (on eBay) a guy who has/modifies/sells Huret clamps for exactly this purpose.

The one part from the original Campy group that was indispensable was the clamp-on down tube shifter cable guide. Easy enough to find, $20.

Another concern was that I never seem to be able to get my Brooks saddle set quite as far back as I'd like, and I wanted to address that. In preparing for this build I stumbled upon the Velo Orange Setback seatpost, designed specifically for setting a Brooks saddle a little farther toward the rear. Thanks Chris!

Deciding on the right rear rack took some time. I really love the look and function of the Nitto R-14 and R-15, but I use this bike to carry lots of groceries (including maybe a gallon of milk!). Also, I have an Arkel TailRider rear bag, which is quite long, so I needed a rack that could accommodate that as well. The R-33 Campee turns out to be perfect for this bike... elegant, long, and strong.

And of course the ridiculous White Industries Urban Platforms... what can I say?.. they're not brakes, but they do make the bike go, and this is a special bike, one I plan to use a lot, and besides, what's done is done, so what the ηελλ?

Way more than anyone ever wanted to know. Cheers.

Last edited by abchurch; 10-26-10 at 03:42 PM.
abchurch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-10, 12:16 PM   #19
b dub 
CL Addict
 
b dub's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Evanston, IL
Bikes:
Posts: 837
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
A picture is worth a thousand words, but a thousand words make a picture more impressive!

Thanks for the info. I'm glad I asked.
__________________
'50s Leon Cattrysse - '72 Canadian Tire Company Supercycle - '74 Raleigh International - '83 Nishiki Cresta -
'84 Centurion Turbo - '86 v. Herwerden (Chesini) - '87 Specialized Sirrus - '88 Trek 2000 - '92 Schwinn Paramount Series 30
b dub is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-10, 12:41 PM   #20
mkeller234
Rustbelt Rider
 
mkeller234's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Canton, OH
Bikes: 1990 Trek 1420 - 1978 Raleigh Professional - 1973 Schwinn Collegiate - 1974 Schwinn Suburban
Posts: 8,304
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Thanks for the interesting write up. I wasn't suggesting that your pedals are ridiculous at all, just way out of my reach. They do look very nice and so does the entire bike.
__________________
|^^^^^^^^^^^^^^| ||
|......GO.BROWNS........| ||'|";, ___.
|_..._..._______===|=||_|__|..., ] -
"(@)'(@)"""''"**|(@)(@)*****''(@)
mkeller234 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-10, 01:04 PM   #21
repechage
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 11,163
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 169 Post(s)
A question regarding shipping, as I guess it was shipped?
How was the pack job, Keith Anderson is one I am eyeing to paint a special bike, but as it is special, packing and freight (loss, not cost as much) is a concern.
repechage is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-10, 01:30 PM   #22
abchurch
Member
Thread Starter
 
abchurch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Southwestern CT
Bikes: '66 Schwinn SS, 2006 Specialized Sirrus Comp, 2010 Trek 520, 2010 Custom Specialized Allez/Ultegra
Posts: 44
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by mkeller234 View Post
Thanks for the interesting write up. I wasn't suggesting that your pedals are ridiculous at all, just way out of my reach. They do look very nice and so does the entire bike.
Oh, the price is what I mean to say is ridiculous, but not really so much when compared to other top-level pedals such as Speedplays. I agree, these pedals are really nice and are very well made.
abchurch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-10, 01:32 PM   #23
abchurch
Member
Thread Starter
 
abchurch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Southwestern CT
Bikes: '66 Schwinn SS, 2006 Specialized Sirrus Comp, 2010 Trek 520, 2010 Custom Specialized Allez/Ultegra
Posts: 44
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by repechage View Post
A question regarding shipping, as I guess it was shipped?
How was the pack job, Keith Anderson is one I am eyeing to paint a special bike, but as it is special, packing and freight (loss, not cost as much) is a concern.
I don't know if Keith Anderson often works with Don's Bike Center... Don was responsible for shipping the frame to me. It was very well packed, almost overkill.
abchurch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-10, 02:27 PM   #24
poprad
Senior Member
 
poprad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: In transit
Bikes: 07 Vanilla, 98 IRD road frame built up with 25th Ann DA, Surly cross check with 105 comp, 78 Raleigh Comp GS, 85 Centurionelli
Posts: 1,580
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
That ...is one gorgeous build. I "friended" Keith Anderson on FLickr after seeing his work at NAHBS a few years back, and this example is definitely indicative of his very detailed and thoughtful work. I really like your component choices too, very nice. It all works very well visually, and you picked a bike that doesn't have such a cult icon status that going with your choice of parts wouldn't be viewed as sacrilege. How does the 9 spd system work for you on this build? I am a big fan of the Shimano DA 9spd and love the all aluminum look and the quality of the parts. I know the 600 stuff is very similar.

Kudos on your bike, color choice, build, and parts. It all looks perfect together, and I bet it rides even better than it looks. Your build slideshow on Flickr is a joy to sit and scroll through, and your text above was a nice touch. Let me know if you ever want to sell her!
poprad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-10, 04:05 PM   #25
abchurch
Member
Thread Starter
 
abchurch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Southwestern CT
Bikes: '66 Schwinn SS, 2006 Specialized Sirrus Comp, 2010 Trek 520, 2010 Custom Specialized Allez/Ultegra
Posts: 44
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
...you picked a bike that doesn't have such a cult icon status that going with your choice of parts wouldn't be viewed as sacrilege
Agreed... the International was somewhat inappropriately fitted with a Campy Nuovo Record set - not exactly swiss cheese (who would ever complain?), but also not exactly a touring/utility group. From the Carlton Workshop bikes, collectors seem to flock to the Professional, so no one has come protesting yet about what I've done here. Honestly, this build has been brewing for some time, and it never had anything to do with restoring a Raleigh - it was all about creating this bike.

Quote:
How does the 9 spd system work for you on this build?
The 9-speed system is smooth and quiet and shifts perfectly. I too am a big fan of the 6500/7700 era Ultegra and DA sets... quality, performance, beauty. I went with 6600 because that's what I had in house. 6600 was the last series for polished silver.

Quote:
Kudos on your bike, color choice, build, and parts. It all looks perfect together, and I bet it rides even better than it looks. Your build slideshow on Flickr is a joy to sit and scroll through, and your text above was a nice touch. Let me know if you ever want to sell her!
Thanks very much, this has been a very satisfying project. I turned a bike I wasn't completely happy with into one that I love. I just took it for a 10-mile spin, and it is really dialed in. I'll be happy to contact you in 40 or 50 years when I'm ready to sell! Cheers.
abchurch is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:53 AM.