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Old 11-13-10, 12:06 PM   #1
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1964 Schwinn Breeze Deluxe cable stop mess

Hi All:

I acquired this Schwinn. at first glance it seemed like a quick tire changing and a new shifter.
then I looked at the cable stops and shifter pulley.....



How the hell did this pass Schwinn Quality Control in 1964???

is this an aftermarket kit? Any suggestions on how to make it more functional and better looking?

I posted the photos to flickr:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7744800...th/5172459636/
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They don't usually look like that. Wish I had some better pics of the Breeze I sold a while back to show you.
The 3 speed cable runs just like a Raleigh Sport, there's probably a good example at RetroRaleighs.com. The brakes are usually on separate cable hangers that are welded on rather than being screwed right through the middle of the logo.
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Old 11-13-10, 12:28 PM   #3
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I have never seen a cable stop screwed on like this on a schwinn. Huffy does a better job than this..... eh. I'll make it work, but it won't be 'restored'.
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I'm willing to bet it was a home-backyard bicycle mechanic modification from yesteryear.
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My old '65 Collegiate had a toptube shifter and the cable was routed around a pulley mounted on a tab just in front of the seatlug. Maybe yours originally had one and it broke off, resulting in catastrophization by the afore-mentioned backyard mechanic.

I'm also wondering why it looks like that Peugeot has a shifter on the backside of the seattube.... The French did some strange things but I've never seen that before.

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Check out this link for a variety of different clamp-on cable stops currently available. These Sturmey-Archer parts changed very little, for decades. Scroll down the page and look at the various "fulcrum clips" toward the bottom of the page. One of these should provide an much neater (and very easy to install) option.

http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/sturm...her-parts.html
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I don't think the kludge is from a backyard mechanic. The cable stops and pulley mount are the same color as the rest of the frame. This had to have been done at the factory. I need to order an indicator chain and some other small parts to get this working. Then do my usual teardown. overhaul and re assembly. Maybe next weekend it will be done. Aside from the cable stop mess, its in pretty nice condition.

The Peugeot was equipped with a Sanyo BB mounted roller Dynamo. The Shift lever activated it. It's pretty cool.
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Normally that little wheel would have mounted down by the bottom bracket. You'll probably find a place where it broke off down there. That would explain the matching paint. Why they screwed on there is beyond me but it's not the Schwinn spot for that.
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I don't think the kludge is from a backyard mechanic. The cable stops and pulley mount are the same color as the rest of the frame.
That's why I was thinking it was originally attached like mine in the photo, and had broken off and been "repaired". The shape looks identical to the bracket on the Collegiate. Only the location and orientation seem different.

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The Peugeot was equipped with a Sanyo BB mounted roller Dynamo. The Shift lever activated it. It's pretty cool.
Way cool. I have a Sanyo roller and though I'm quite certain my model is not supposed to mount to the BB I'm not entirely certain where it SHOULD be mounted . Seems like a good thing to figure out on a snowy Saturday evening.
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I don't think the kludge is from a backyard mechanic. The cable stops and pulley mount are the same color as the rest of the frame.
Revisit Cinco's post. The hardware you see was once a pulley wheel mount and a cable stop, welded to the bottom of the top tube (hence the Coppertone paint). At least one of these two fittings split off initially, and some hack figured that the best thing to do would be to drive it back into the frame - by placing the pulley wheel 7 inches forward and 110 degrees away from where it belongs. The cable stop was probably added to the mix when this hack got the bright idea to "improve" the brake cable mounting as well.

Look under the top tube, and I'm entirely sure you'll find two rectangular square rust spots where these fittings once resided.

Under no circumstances was this factory.

At best, unscrew this "fix" out of the frame, and Bondo the holes. Run a new, solid rear brake cable with cable clips (if you can find clips to fit the small Schwinn top tube), and run a full-length Sturmey-Archer cable with a stop on the chainstay or seatstay, depending on how you route the cable. Simple as that.

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