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    1989 Miyata 1000 LT - Remove Decals?

    I was fortunate enough to find this 1989 Miyata 1000 LT at a local bike shop. Great condition and rides like a gem. Most everything is original aside from the Brooks B17 and bar tape, which I added later. I've been riding this bike for about half a year now, and while I absolutely love the way it rides, I just can't seem to get past the neon decals. Would it be crazy to remove the decals, being that it's a Miyata 1000 LT?



    A little bit closer.


    Basically, I'm considering removing the "1000 LT" on the top tube. Rainbow Sherbet.


    The "Miyata" decal on the down tube.


    And the "Miyata" decal on the head tube. Pinky pink.


    Due to the 1000 LT's reputation among touring enthusiasts, my better judgement pulls my hand away each time I consider removing the decals. To be humbly honest though, I really would prefer the bike without them. I like the idea of a clean, solid gray frame. The neon pink just won't grow on me.

    Lastly, if I do remove them, I happen to be a graphic designer and redesigning the decals would be fairly easy. I spoke with JR at VeloCals and he said that if I sent over the designs, he could print them. This way I would have a backup copy, should I ever need to reapply them. While they wouldn't be the true original decals, they would be extremely similar, if not identical aesthetically.

    With that, what are your thoughts? Leave them be, or peel away?
    Thanks in advance!

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    I didn't like them either (I think it was a Miami Vice thing) but it didn't bother me enough to consider removing them. If you plan on keeping the bike and you feel that strongly about it, you should go ahead and personalize it. But, be forewarned, if you ever plan on selling the bike, the value would be less without the original decals. Although I suppose you could always have new ones made.
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    Leave the decals, someday you'll appreciate them. The '80's will do that to you.

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    Just be careful doing it. Old decals tend not to come off in one nice peel. It may be a very time intensive chore, picking off bit by bit of decal and once you start it looks so bad you can't stop till it's done.
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    PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DON'T DO IT!!!

    A bike like that is going to be handed down at some point...let the next owner enjoy it as Miyata intended it.

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    That's like cutting out the delapidated buildings in an old family photo. That's where history was when it was made. If it was a beater, sure, but it looks pretty clean. As noted, it's the owner who lives with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zem View Post
    Would it be crazy to remove the decals, being that it's a Miyata 1000 LT?
    It would be both crazy AND stupid.

    I don't mean for that to sound harsh, but that's what it would be.
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    Although, as a traditionalist and a bit of a stickler on restoring a vintage bike to as close to OEM as resonable; I feel like I need to stick up for the OP here since he seems to be getting lambasted. If the OP feels strongly enough about the topic to post a thread, then he apparently 'really' doesn't like the decals. Does that mean the bike gets occasionally left in the garage? Don't get me wrong, it's hard enough to find a vintage bike that still has decent decals, when you finally do find one that has decals as clean as this one appears the idea of removing them almost seems blasphemous. However, as I recall, the decals on the 89 1000 were not clear coated and there are methods to remove them cleanly. I'd take very good pictures of them however, that way you could have them reproduced in the future if you end up hating yourself for the bad thing you've done.
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    80's bike, 80's decals. I say leave them.

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    I know, it's the OP's bike, private property rights, etc. But we're talking about a natural resource here--like a landowner muddying the water for everyone downstream. Maybe not a hanging offense but certainly inconsiderate. The correct solution is to sell the bike in question to someone who can appreciate it and look around for a Miyata that's ALREADY had its original paint job wrecked, and have that one painted or powder coated as desired.
    A lot easier said than done, I admit. Give the existing decals some time. Try to get used to them. Tell yourself you're doing it for the good of humanity.
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    Hmmm. I think the decals are pretty nasty. Take em off.

    Its a great looking bike from a distance, then you see those awful decals when you get up close.

    Edit; Just reread your post with the bit about reproducing the decals.

    GO FOR IT!

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    If the decals are under clearcoat you will not remove them without messing up the paint...no way...no how.

    Leave them and enjoy the fine ride...
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    The decals on that frame are extremely resilient. I doubt they can be removed without refinishing.
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    I have an 86 Miyata 1000 and I really like the graphics. But if I had yours I would have removed them years ago. Your bike would look magnificent without them and it will still retain its true value. It is a touring bike after all!

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    I think the decals are nice. Very retro. But I'm a girl (not going to revive the men-on-pink-bikes thread. Noooo...).

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    I say, remove the TT and DT decals but leave the headtube one. Might end up pretty spiffy.

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    Thanks for all the great feedback!

    Rest assured, I will not be removing the decals.
    I'm glad to see so many passionate replies, they make it easy to recognize the value of preserving the original decals, even with the replacement decal set at hand.


    Quote Originally Posted by jonwvara View Post
    It would be both crazy AND stupid.
    I don't mean for that to sound harsh, but that's what it would be.
    Harsh, but understandably so.



    Quote Originally Posted by jonwvara View Post
    The correct solution is to sell the bike in question to someone who can appreciate it and look around for a Miyata that's ALREADY had its original paint job wrecked, and have that one painted or powder coated as desired.
    My Miyata is special to me, and I have no problem with the paint job. I love the original gray finish.



    Quote Originally Posted by buldogge View Post
    If the decals are under clearcoat you will not remove them without messing up the paint...no way...no how.
    I thought about that, but one of the "A's" on the right side is a little curled off, and the paint underneath is unaltered. Thanks for lookin' out though, buldogge.



    Quote Originally Posted by big chainring View Post
    Just reread your post with the bit about reproducing the decals.
    GO FOR IT!
    Even with the backup decal set, I'll just leave the original decals be. But thanks for zagging on the zig of opinions!



    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon P View Post
    I have an 86 Miyata 1000 and I really like the graphics. But if I had yours I would have removed them years ago...
    Haha, I appreciate your honesty. I'll live, neon pink is a small price to pay for that smooth ride.



    I hope I did not come off as someone who does not appreciate their bike, nor understand the concept of preservation, due to his dislike of a decal color. I absolutely love my Miyata and have grown very attached to it. The only thing I've ever wanted to remove were the neon decals. I've also got these vintage bags on the way that I'll be using as rear panniers, which would match better w/ out the neon decals. But in respect to the 1000 LT's reputation and history, I can certainly learn to live with the decals, in all their neon glory. Thank you again to everyone that chimed in and happy riding!

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    Your bike would look magnificent without them and it will still retain its true value.
    Really? Not in my world it wouldn't.

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    I'm really surpised that there is no apparent clearcoat. Miyata literature mentions clearcoating over decals as far back as 1985 and my experience corroborates this. FYI, you can remove clearcoat and decals without affecting the underlying paint, though it is tedious and leaves a noticeable hole in the clearcoat.

    I'm glad to hear you've decide to leave things alone. You've kept it in excellent condition and contrary to the opinion of some members my experience is that changes only negatively affect potential resale value. The graphics were a reflection of the era, specifically the pastel influence of Miami Vice. Being a small size, if you ever decide to sell, there is a large potential resale market of female buyers who may actually find the appearance very appealing.

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    Removing the decals will depreciate the value of the bike by 25%. Think about all the 'ID my bike with no decal' threads we have on the forum
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    Leaving 'em be is the right choice, I think, if only because it's hard to tell what the results will be if you try to peel them. Maybe they'd come of cleanly, maybe the result would look hideous, with damaged clearcoat, etc. It's a big risk.
    I'm glad you didn't take offense at my "crazy AND stupid" comment. It was well-intentioned but badly expressed. I think it has something to do with my 610, where a previous owner apparently tried to remove the Miyata chro-mo tubing sticker for some reason. Whoever it was scraped through the paint all the way to the steel along one edge before they realized that it wasn't going to come off neatly and gave up. The paint is otherwise great but it looks like hell in that one area.
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    I understand that our bikes are our property, and we can do what we want...make them what we want...etc...but I think with the higher end, nicer, collectible bikes we also have a duty to the future and to the bike to preserve them. If it's a Schwinn Varsity...or something that there are millions of...I agree it doesn't really matter. For something special, and I think the Miyata 1000LTs qualify, we also have a duty to future owners of the bike. Should we change out bars to make them more comfy? Of course...that can be changed back. Should we modernize parts? Sure...easily changed back. Doing things that are irreversible...like removing decals, powder coating, hacking off braze ons, etc. are doing a disservice to bike collectors of the future.

    I know it's an extreme analogy, and not on the same scale, but look at something like the Mona Lisa. At some point someone owned it...it was their property. They had the right, legally, to draw a funny moustache it. However the Mona Lisa is something that is bigger than a temporary owner's property rights. While the analogy is exaggerated and dramatic, I think the point is valid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottryder View Post
    Leave the decals, someday you'll appreciate them. The '80's will do that to you.

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    I've got the same bike and been conflicted about the decals as well. I think they're ugly but in a fun sort of 80's way. Now I'm considering selling my 1000LT and I'm glad I left em on.
    It certainly is a smoooooth ride.

    It looks like you still have the original Tires on yours They're Radial Tires and are a little oddball thing that came on only a few bikes. If you want to read about em check this out link.
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    my 2 cents. ride that bike and ride it hard. the frame will outlast the components ... replace what you need. the frame will also outlast the paint/decal ... don't bother with new decals when you repaint ... or maybe they'll have grown on on you by then. what i'm saying is, ride it and and don't worry about the way it looks. it's a miyata 1000 ... it's meant to be ridden and ridden hard.

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