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    70's Bianchi help needed.

    I have an eye for an 70's Bianchi that looks just great, but i think it's a low end model and alltought most parts are correct (with help from velobase) there is one thing that puzzles me and make me doubt about this bike.

    It's about the BB cable guide.
    On the cranksite there is the old style guide on top wich is ok, but on the left side there is this tiny braze on the frametube.
    Is this correct.

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    Paging Bianchigirll, Paging Bianchigirll

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    I have a Bianchi Strada that has those lugs. Mine has no cable guides brazed on the down tube but I also had a later frame with the single downtube stop and the single stop brazed on the chainstay. They are very small laydown cylindrical, slotted types. Here is my older one with the upright chainstay stop.

    Are those Universal Extra brakes?



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    My guess is that this article on Bianchi Sprint will be a help. Your bike is a mid seventies Bianchi Sprint, I believe.

    This picture is not on the MY "TEN SPEEDS" website, but it will at least show the part of the bike you question...
    BianchiSprintFinishedDerailleurFrontLeftTQRear.jpg

    Hope this is a help.

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    +1, it's Bianchi's standard cable stop.

    +1, brakes appear to be Universal Extra/Model 51.

    As to the model and age, it appears to be one of the Rekord variants from the mid to late 1970s, which was their entry level competition model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 531phile View Post
    Paging Bianchigirll, Paging Bianchigirll
    WOW it is nice to have a fan and be so highly thought of, however this bike is not in my realm of experience. however if i had to give an opinion, which I came up with before reading on. I would say it looks correct, as the cable guide/stop on the DT is used for the housing going to the FD.

    great looking Bianchi can you find one in a 59?
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    The downtube decals resemble mine, which suggest mid-to-late 1970s, although I do not know how long the 1960s era Valentino derailleur set continued to be sold. Cable stops evolved during that period, with under-the-BB routing eventually replacing earlier styles.
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    Ah, good news it's most likely a model Sprint.
    Entry level is ok for me it's the look the character what gets me for this bike and not so much top or entrly level and it's matching level of parts being used.

    Ok i have included some more pix of this bike and i'm evertime surprized by how many some of you know by showing just so little in a picture

    I can't give more pix due to the 10 included, but the brake levers are super record (velobase) wich is not what i think was original, but perhaps due to a fall of something replaced. As i think they should be universal too making a matching pair with the brakes itself


    I can't read if it say's extra, but when i does than velobase say's it's 50's to 60's. However could it have been another model universal that would match the time period.


    Another mystery to me due to the bolts securing the shifters as this is very diffirent from what is normally being used.


    A mystery to me as it say's i think product special campagnolo ..
    Does this mean the bike was from origin equipped with campa parts .. as that would be a far cry from what it is now

    Here some of the pix of the bike and my thoughts about it.

    Well nuovo gran sport and according to velobase (wonderfull site) it is correct for the period 74/85


    A valentino extra which is a 68 onwards item so should be correct for the period of the bike



    Dustcaps say offmega, but is the crank a offmega too


    no doubt that is not correct and for a later model due to the vertical clamp method


    I guess these are tube rims and are they correct for the year of the bike


    Miche pedals never seen them, but again are these correct

    Thanks everybody for the wonderful and invaluable help you're giving me.
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    Sweet bike! Should look nice all cleaned up. Enjoy!

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    I don't think the dust caps are original (Mistral was a later model) what are the other markings on the crank? are the bolts marked?
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    I think it's a mid 70's Rekord 745. I'm pretty sure the Sprint had stamped drop-outs, this one looks like it has "Bianchi" forged pieces.

    These are kind of sloppy basic straight guage frames but they are still a very decent Bianchi, and built up with better parts will yeild a pretty nice bike, and have a great 70's look to them.

    Used Nouvo Record parts are going for very reasonable prices on ebay right now. I would definitely replace the cranks, ders, and most importantly the headset with NR pieces. The rest of the parts you have should be fine if cleaned up and tuned.

    Here's a catalog page showing your bike (bottom one) but this one is a couple of years later than yours:

    http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/v/...page3.jpg.html
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    It's becoming more interesting with each reply.

    Firstly i don't own this one yet as i'm negotiating with the seller, but i wanted to make sure what exactly this is that's why the post here.

    Secondly i'm totally not interested in changing it from it's authenticity as this is #1 reason for me to have interest in this bianchi.

    It may have low end parts, but if that's how it was in the showroom than that's what's represents the true value for me and that's ok for me. I'm a huge fan of original/authentic bikes and this one is a true gem for me because of the above.

    Wish me luck in getting this one in my livingroom

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    I'm sticking with mid to late 1970s. Isn't that the 1973 Campione del Mundo sticker on the top tube? Serial number should be on the front of the top head lug and will tell us the year. My gut feel is the Nuovo Gran Sport derailleur is likely a replacement of the original Valentino.

    Edit: while it's tempting to date it older by virtue of the type 51 brakeset, my literature indicates they were still being offered as late as 1978. According to Berto, the Valentino extra rear derailleur was still manufactured as late as 1985. Crankset, brakeset, shifter, front deraileur and rims are probably orignal. Stem and pedals probably aren't.
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    The extra pictures are a help. The bike is not the same as my Sprints. The integral rear derailleur hanger rules that possibility out. The rest of the frame set seems to be pretty close to that of the Sprint design, though

    The head set is interesting and, to me, would suggest sixties, perhaps even earlier. Neither of my Sprints were fitted with tubulars, both were 27" clinchers and alloy, as I recall.

    I am with T-Mar, and feel the bike's vintage to be mid seventies. My first Sprint was a mid seventies model and fitted with this 1973 sticker...

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    Great help everybody it's becoming more interesting with each reply

    So i can conclude although not rockhard that there are some parts not correct for the period one of them being the rearderr. wich is not unusual seeing it used and can be easily replaced.
    The pedals too, and for the rest it's so far a bit a guess.

    I have wait to see if i can clinch a deal with the seller and when i do i can make more pix for myself hopefully to get this bike fully identified or maybe when the seller has so more pix made i can upload them here.

    Here a pic of the headset serial.
    Let me know what it could be regarding the year.


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    I can't quite make out the 2nd character of the serial number (i.e. between the 4 and 6) but it should be a letter. Based on what I see it should be either a 1974 or 1975 model. If the OP can verify with the seller that decal on the top tube, behind the head lug, states 1973, that would clinch it. Before anybody tries to state it is 1967 model, based on the decal below the serial number, I'll point out that xx.x.xx was Bianchi's model number format during this period.

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    The model number decal on the HT is not right for a 1978 model. I'm sticking with my early/mid 70's assesment based on the shape of the head-lugs and the chrome fork crown which you did not see on the later 70's bikes.

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    It's becoming more exciting with each reply.

    I guess these pix will finally clinch it.





    So summing it up.
    Rear derr is probebly a upgrade from the original valentino but still it's periodically correct and the pedals are wrong.

    Hmm, i can live with that.

    So can there be a final given what model it is and a sprint or 745 or .. and what year.
    Early to mid 70's or mid to late 70's.

    Good work everybody i'm impressed and many thanks.

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    It's not a Sprint. I'd say a Rekord 745 or 746 from '75-'76. Look at the catalog reprint I linked to above for the list of components for each model. Even though it's in Italian it's pretty easy to figure out. The Rekord 746 shows Gran Sport for the derailleurs which could have been the "Nuovo" version, and may be original. Of course the catalog is about 1978 so maybe not accurate to your earlier model.

    With that said it's folly to try and build a bike to catalog specs as they were often different then what made it to the sales floor. And in Bianchi's case, bikes were made for many different countries, and the specs were not identical. Catalogs are just a good guideline but should never be treated like the "bible" (actually same goes for the bible, but will save that). I would just clean up what's there and run it, maybe swapping out the stem as that's pretty glaringly not 70's. Or upgrade it all to Nuovo Record like I previously mentioned and make a really nice bike out it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otis View Post
    It's not a Sprint. I'd say a Rekord 745 or 746 from '75-'76...
    I agree with it being a Rekord, but not with it being a 1976. The serial number would limit it to 1974 or 1975.

    As for which Rekord, I also doubt it being a 745 or 746. I have 1973 specs listing a Rekord 71 for that year. With four years between the 1973 Rekord 71 and the 1978 Rekord 745/746 models, if we assume a logical progression , it could be a Rekord 71x, a Rekord 72x or a Rekord 73x. The only thing it shouldn't be is a Rekord 74x, unless Bianchi skipped a number in the progression sequence.

    The other possibility is that Bianchi did not follow a sequence at all. The Rekord 745 and 746 have models numbers with format xx.4.xx. The fact that there is a "4" in both the model names and model numbers could be coincidence or deliberate. If it's deliberate, then the OP's bicycle should be a Rekord 75x.

    The bottom line is that I don't have enough objective evidence to make a statement on the model name, other than to say it is a Rekord variant. However, the serial number, in conjunction with the Campione del Mondo decal, definitely points towards a 1974 or 1975 model. The only possible way to narrow it down further would be to determine the 2nd character in the serial number.

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    Hi

    I just bought this Bianchi

    http://www.njuskalo.hr/trkaci-bicikl...-oglas-9621955

    Does anyone has the 78 catalog with 745?


    Thx!!!

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    I just picked up on this thread and hope I could get a little help too. I was bribed by my father with a Rekord 746 to do well at school. I did (no more incentive required), so I got the bike. That was in 1976. 38 years later all I have left is the frame and forks...the parts were all thrown out by an ex....tragically.

    Im trying to restore it to its original specs. I've worked out everything except the crank....I've seen the 746 on the net with both Ofmega and Maxy cranks. The 1978 catalog shows a Maxy. Does anyone know when the Maxy came in? And what were Bianchi thinking putting a Japanese part on their bike?? Was Japanese cast aluminium superior??? Throwing it out there just in case......

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