I may have a Ciocc Designer in a small size (51cm), but my friend is trying it out. If it doesn't get sold, I'll toss it up here too
I like the idea of a spreadsheet, but don't have the savvy for that. Volunteers?
A = full / butted molybdenum-alloy steel --don't bother saying whether 531, Columbus, Tange, or what.
B = partial / straight gauge molybdenum-alloy steel -- again, don't bother with the details.
C = hi tensile steel.
D = anything other than steel.
I suggest three grades of paint:
A = excellent and original
B = okay (does not need repaint)
C = terrible (needs repaint)
If you're getting rid of a frame that requires unusual parts, non-English BB and headset, unusual sized FD or whatever, I suggest you include it if you can.
Other information required: dropouts, eyelets, other brazed on fittings. Damage should be clearly stated.
What else, guys? As I said before, this thread is probably just a trial balloon. What rules would you like to see? Under what terms would you, or would you not, play this game?
-- traded to frogbutter --
these are all way too nice! *somebody* has to have some big ol' beat up frame that is on par with my Botteccia...
edit: Frame C (but chrome lugs on the fork) / Paint B-ish
italian bb / 120mm rear spacing
ST 56 CTT 54 CTC
TT 54 CTT
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The bicycle, the bicycle surely, should always be the vehicle of novelists and poets. Christopher Morley
I have a NOS Schwinn Super Sport LE road bike frame, size "L", which I would guess is like a 59-60cm. Slightly sloped top tube, replaceable der hanger (I have the correct one) never built up. Never been able to find anything out about this frame (including from Schwinn and the shop that sold it to me) other than it was from a line of frames they sold several years ago only to LBS, not to dept. stores. Headbadge and seat tube badge, made in China, aluminum, and now you know as much as I do. Cable stops at the upper end of the DT, 130 spacing. Black and silver and in storage, so no pics immediately at hand. Have an (also new) SE fork to go along with it, fork is root beer colored but the threadless stem is long enough to work with the frame, which requires an integrated headset. I suspect this would make a pretty nice bike once built up but would require STI's or thumbies or bar ends.
Also have a 1990 Cannondale M400, red, with the correct fork. At least I'm pretty sure that's what it is. Needs a respray/powder coat but appears dent free and straight. Would make a nice tourer or use it for a 'cross bike. It's a shortie- with 700C wheels it would build up to about 54cm. Takes V-brakes or cantilevers or whatever else fits on those stubs that are welded/brazed to the seat stays and front fork. 130mm spacing. Also in storage but can dig it out and post pics for anyone who might be interested.
Bought both of these when I was feeling pretty frisky and experimental, but have since realized I'm strictly a DT shifter/road bike/caliper brake kinda guy. Will trade one (or preferably both) for any reasonable frame 58cm or smaller in dent-free condition.
This is getting too much like work. SOMEBODY has to both a) want these frames, and 2) have something to swap for them. Anything as long as it's not made for Some Giant Person. Seems like everyone who wants to buy a bike from me these days is the size of eeekamouse.
Heck, to sweeten the deal I'll throw in a full Suntour Alpha3000 setup (FD/RD/DT Shifters/Freewheel) with the Cannondale frame. Indexed, solid and kinda sporty looking.
Otherwise both frames will wind up going to the local Bike Co-Op & I'll just take the tax deduction.
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Hard at work in the Secret Underground Laboratory...
I'll play...I think I have some frames that are too big for me, was going to try to flip these or solicit trades on CL.
They are nothing exotic. Just some specific era frames good to someone tall or needs large flippers.
First one: '79 Ross Pro Grand Tour. 62cm. Posted initially in the 'saved' thread.
I'll take a similar spec road frame in my size (55-57cm c-t). It's for a SS/fixie project. Can take 27" or 700C wheels as I have both as spares.
Second: '95 Cannondale M300 LE MTB in black. Large 22" rigid hardtail. 1" threaded unicrown Spinner fork. Small dent underneath rear monostay, hard to see actually. It's paint is fair. Series 3.8, made in the USA. I was going to make it a drop bar tourer/utility project, but it's awfully high for my 30" inseam.
I will trade for a similar aged or older, smaller Cannondale mtb or road frame.
Third: '80 Ross Diamond Cruiser frameset, in gray/blue. Large frame. Kinda like a city MTB than outright cruiser. Comes with headset, bull moose SR stem and seatpost. Fair condition. Will trade for a more traditional cruiser style frameset.
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"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow." ~Albert Einstein
I have this repainted (Dr. Deltron) 1984 Trek 760 frame that I would be happy to see go somewhere it would get more use. It's 54cm ctc in the seat tube, 53cm ctc in the top tube. Lugged 531P Reynolds tubing. The paint is rich purple and in outstanding condition, fork ends are chrome. The frame was pretty much a top-of-the-line crit geometry frame when it was made. My Bob Jackson, and Raleigh Team Pro make this effectively redundant in my stable. Would be willing to include the current (I believe original) Stronglight, A-9 needle bearing headset for the right exchange.
I'd be looking for something with at least butted tubing, in 55 - 58 cm size range. Would prefer sport touring, or touring geometry. Willing to consider older frame that's sound, and not in great finish, so don't be shy about proposing a trade.
In search of what to search for.
1980ish Free Spirit Sunbird fixed * 1996 Mongoose IBOC Zero-G * 1995ish Park Pre Pro 825 * 1997 KHS Comp * 1990-ish Scapin * Lemond Buenos Aires Triple
On the subject of order, do bicycle swap meets hand out spreadsheets to shoppers? I would thinking digging through the thread is appropriate when trading crappy frames.
Personally, I have a few frames to offer, but none I'd consider crappy. Unfortunately, my interest is very narrow, so I'll keep my eye on the thread.
Doesn't seem to be for crappy frames, just frames that don't work for you. Personally, I like to see the details of the frames up for trade.
Wouldn't think it would work very well unless local. Shipping is a PITA-(maybe not for just a frameset) but for bikes already together. I like the swap idea-just right for giant peeps swapping with wee peeps. Guess I'll see what evolves.
Post script- I'm a wee person
Shipping a frame is $25-$40, depending on size and location.
I have spoken.
My hope with this thread is that we consider passing our useless goods ("crap") on without worrying too much about what we get in return, so long as it fits. The frame I have is, for my purposes useless ("crap") because it's too (a) small (b) racy and (c) modern. Something in my size would be far more useful. If it's still crap, at least it would be crap in my size. It's not a terrible frame. It's really quite nice, it's just useless to me.
I'm not a gambler, and I recommend anyone playing this game understand what they're getting. But inasmuchas the BOCPAG was gambling, and the secret Santa game was gambling, this too is gambling. You put something in, and you get something out. No one promises that what you get out is more valuable than what you put in.
Anyway, I started this thread, and will follow it, but I'm not making up the rules. I'm merely suggesting rules I'd like. Make your own rules, arrange your own trades, and make someone happy. If anyone's happy, I'll be happy.
And if I get a 60 cm Claud Butler (or Holdsworth, Carlton, Hetchins, Norman, &c), I'll be especially happy!
Yes, John, you have it right. This isn't to be limited in any way. It's a free-for-all! Anyone who wants to organize it, categorize it, and make it work, please! Be my guest!
I have several I would be willing to trade for something comparable 53-54cm.
60cm Peugeot UO8
58cm Peugeot PR10....complete bike has not been cleaned up
64cm Ross Ish 024
64cm Miyata 210.....lots of scratches
58cm Trek 600 Series......has few small areas w/paint bubbling
Certified thread killer
'79/'80 Sekai 2700, Early 70's PX-10, '90/'91 Club Fuji, '83 Miyata 610, '70ish Zeus Gran Sport, '88 Centurion Ironman Master, '89 Bridgestone RB1, '99/'00 Gunnar Rockhound, '99 Surly Cross Check, '09 Surly Cross Check, Fuji Saratoga
I'd offer more ideas for rules, but I don't really have that many extra frames
Off hand, these are the ones I can remember:
1984 Takara professional, 64cm
1984ish Univega Viva Sport, 68 cm, repaired a slightly bent seat stay
1984ish Lotus Elite (touring), 47 or 48 cm, slight bend in left rear seat stay near bottom
1984ish Centurion LeMans, silver, decals removed, 54-55cm
1987 or so Novara Triforma or something like that, 56cm Tange No.1 lugged frame, nice.
1988 Bianchi Sport SX frame (in black), 58 cm, may be a 59
1972+/- Atala 101 Professional 58-59cm
1992 or so Trek 710 or so hybrid frame (700C MTB commuter), 18-19 inches I think.
Late 1980's Bianchi MTB (Axis or something), 18-19 inches
1985 Trek 830 21-22 inch MTB frame
2002 Jamis Ventura, 62 cm
A pile of others. What are you looking for.
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where you are headed weren't never there;
and where you are ain't no good unless you can get away from it."
1951 Raleigh Lenton Sports
1967 Phillips Sports
1974 Peugeot UO-8 fixed gear
1978 Raleigh Super Course
1981 Schwinn LeTour
1984 Nishiki Riviera GT
1987 Nishiki Modulus
1988 Fuji Palisade
1994 Univega Activa Trail (converted to drops)
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