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Old 01-22-11, 12:38 PM   #1
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1980s Bianchi touring bike ID and age help?

Thanks to a post by Rocket Sauce in the ebay/CL thread, I scored a pretty nice Bianchi (Japanese built) touring bike for my wife. The seller was right around the corner from my house, and it turns out I had met him a couple of years ago at a bike-focused yard sale he was having. Great guy, former mechanic at a reputable area LBS.

Ishiwata double butted tubing throughout, Suntour forged dropouts, and a nearly complete Shimano Arabesque group (the RD was replaced with a modern 8-speed Alivio). Original rack (not sure if Nitto or Blackburn? Is there a way to tell?) Anyway, the Shimano date codes point to 1983. However, I can't find a model name. It is clearly a touring bike, with relaxed angles, long chainstays, original touring rack, and half-step plus granny triple setup. The SKS fenders that came on it are in great shape.

BB spindle is cracked, so it needs that at the very least. Rear hub may be broken, but I won't know until I dismantle it. Other than that, it just needs pedals, saddle, chain, and a good cleanup. The original deep burgandy paint is in surprisingly good shape, and not a bit of rust anywhere.

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Also, what model hubs are these? Does that icon above Shimano indicate the 600 Arabesque group?



I also ended up getting a bunch of other stuff from him. Wonderful guy.

Any ID help on this Bianchi is appreciated! Bianchi girl???
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Old 01-22-11, 12:50 PM   #2
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Nice!

All the Blackburn racks I've ever seen had either "Jim Blackburn" or just "Blackburn" impressed on one of the horizontal bars on the top.

If you don't have a replacement BB spindle, send me the measurements. I stumbled upon a biggish stash of them a while back.

I love that crank / chain ring design!
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nice looking Bianchi. I believe what you have there is a '84 San Remo in Dark Maroon. tha catalog calles it a "multi purpose bike for sport or touring" it looks like you even got the OEM rack. the RD was a 'wide range' 105.

nice looking bike, can't wait to see what you do with it.
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+1. 1984 Bianchi San Remo, original retail $350 US. The serial number will allow us to corroborate this. The icon on the hubs is the Shimano logo. Given the era and lack of an oild clip they are an entry model hub, below 600 (Arabesque) and 105 (Golden Arrow).
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the catalog (got to scan them someday) says they are shim 400
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I have plenty of more period-correct long cage RDs that can be used on this bike in place of the modern Alivio. I may try to complete the group with a long-cage Arabesque. So is what's on this bike considered (600) Golden Arrow or (105) Arabesque? The brakes are BR-Z57, so I assume that corresponds to 105. And what's the difference between Golden Arrow and regular 105?
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...So is what's on this bike considered (600) Golden Arrow or (105) Arabesque? The brakes are BR-Z57, so I assume that corresponds to 105. And what's the difference between Golden Arrow and regular 105?
Shimano 600EX (2nd generation 600) is commonly referred to as Arabesque. First generation 105 was one step below 600EX and was commonly referred to as Golden Arrow. There does not appear to be any 600EX on the bicycle. Currently, the shifters, front derailleurs and brakes are 105/Golden Arrow.
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I'm reviving this thread from the dead with hope of input from @T-Mar or @bianchigirl or others

Today I looked at the exact same bike in the first post, a 1984 San Remo, except it is in perfect condition. I think I might actually be the only person to have ever ridden it.

Is it worth 100 bucks?
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I'm reviving this thread from the dead with hope of input from @T-Mar or @bianchigirl or others

Today I looked at the exact same bike in the first post, a 1984 San Remo, except it is in perfect condition. I think I might actually be the only person to have ever ridden it.

Is it worth 100 bucks?
Yes easily worth more if in "perfect" condition. I'd buy the bike and ask questions later.
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sweet. It rides like a dream
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I concur, buy it ASAP.
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Bought it. Pics to come
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Here she is. Purchased from the second owner who bought it at an estate sale. Only a few slight scuffs/dust here and there that should wipe off, but it was obviously stored inside its whole life. Needs a quick tune, but rides and shifts perfectly.

What period correct fenders would you recommend? It seems the originals were sks. Do I buy new ones or try to find ones from the 80's?











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Nice pick up. I wouldn't waste my time finding vintage fenders. Both planet bike and SKS make fine fenders; SKS fenders are a bit higher quality but more fiddly to install.
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Here she is....]
Manufactured November 1983 in Japan, so a 1984 model, as we suspected. Great acquisition. Enjoy!
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You weren't kidding when you said brand new! A good wipe and she will be clean. I would still check the headset, wheels and BB for any lube it might need.

Great deal there!
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Oh yeah, real good chance those are the stinky Shimano specific shift bosses. Don't lose the shifters you have now. It's a headache to work around them!
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That is great looking nice score. If you want something unique check these out https://www.woodysfenders.com/category-s/117.htm
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