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Old 02-02-11, 09:06 AM   #1
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God this is tempting

If this description is true and it looks as good in person as it does in the (tiny low res craigslist) pics, I think this might be a great find:

http://neworleans.craigslist.org/bik/2183907365.html

1971 Italian Touring Bicycle - $340 (Treme)

Made in Italy, which is unusually rare for this vintage Bennotto bicycle. Great condition. Extremely lightweight. Smooth, fast ride. Very well made.








$340 seems high for just "any random 70s road bike" but from what I've read on Sheldon Brown, and here, the Italian-built ones are very nice bikes indeed...

Thoughts anyone? And anyone wanna take a guess as to frame size? Looks small-ish to medium to me, maybe 54cm? Owner had no more (or even bigger!) pics and didn't know size.
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go check it out before it's gone
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and it looks like it's a 53
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Thanks, the only reason I haven't gone by is it's about an hour and a half drive... depending on people's responses here I may drive down in the next few days, or at least call and make an offer.
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Looks like you have to give this guy a call and go over it with him...
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Looks like you have to give this guy a call and go over it with him...
He's being super-unhelpful by email, maybe it's worth a shot.
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It's been said here many times...for the great deals, you have to buy them RIGHT AWAY. By the time you play mother may I with research, it's gone.
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That paint job sure doesn't look like 70's to me, more like late 80's.
I agree. There's no way the graphics are ca. 1970's - that paint sure looks more like late 80's to me too, if the Colnago line up is anything to go by. Even the mid 80's Peugeot lineup reflects a similar design aesthetic.
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I agree. There's no way the graphics are ca. 1970's - that paint sure looks more like late 80's to me too, if the Colnago line up is anything to go by. Even the mid 80's Peugeot lineup reflects a similar design aesthetic.
And that is pretty important since to my understanding in later years production moved to Mexico and those bikes are much less sought-after. He states "Made in Italy" pretty confidently in the ad, though. Geez I wish it was in town, I'd be there now. Would getting a serial # from him help you think?
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Repaint? Looks awfully clean.
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Repaint? Looks awfully clean.
Any good ways to spot a repaint if I do end up going to see it?
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He states "Made in Italy" pretty confidently in the ad, though.
Could be it has a component on it that says "Made in Italy" on it.

Aside from that, I don't believe it's early 70's; the paint has been mentioned, but aside from that, the downtube shifters appear to be mounted to brazed-on bosses, and the top tube cable is routed through brazed on guides; neither of those is an early 70's phenomenon. The brakes appear to be mid-level sidepull calipers; I don't see QR's. High end early 70's bikes could have high end sidepulls, but the mid-level ones had centerpulls.

Furthermore, I don't see any reason to call it a touring bike.

And finally, the pedals are low to mid level rat trap pedals with reflectors; again, not indicative of a high end early 70's bike.

I don't know what it is, but I wouldn't drive very far to look at it, and I definitely wouldn't bring $300 with me if I did.

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Could be it has a component on it that says "Made in Italy" on it.
That's what I assumed, and again from what I gather that doesn't guarantee that the entire frame was made there, just some parts... please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Just got relisted for $325: http://neworleans.craigslist.org/bik/2193363447.html
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That's what I assumed, and again from what I gather that doesn't guarantee that the entire frame was made there, just some parts... please correct me if I'm wrong.
Absolutely correct.
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exact same paint scheme as my mid 80's Benotto 850 which came with Modolo / low-end Campy components
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Mid 80's Mexican Benotto, if you ask me.

They were decent bikes, and unless this particular one is pristine, I'd have a hard time paying over $300 for it.
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Mid 80's Mexican Benotto, if you ask me.
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That isn't a repaint, I have the same paint scheme on my Benotto. It is probably from 1988 or so, I really have no idea. The parts on the Benotto in the ad look pretty low end, I wouldn't pay $325 for it myself but I don't know what the New Orleans market is like.

Here's mine, a Modolo 3000 which was close to the top of the line at the time. The one in the ad appears to have fender tabs so it is probably a lower-end model

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I dunno, but is ANYTHING out of Mexico really that bad?? Those frames look really nice to me, at least from the pics. Only reason I can think of dismissing these bikes is if they have the propensity of brazing on the lugs and braze-ons failing on many of their frames, or premature corrosion because of poor prep at the factory. Is that the case with Bennoto "Hecho en Mexico"??
VW fans seem to feel the same with Jettas and Neu Beetles made in Mexico. Maybe it's just perception caused by rumours and other "ugly" stuff....

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I dunno, but is ANYTHING out of Mexico really that bad?? Those frames look really nice to me, at least from the pics. Only reason I can think of dismissing these bikes is if they have the propensity of brazing on the lugs and braze-ons failing on many of their frames, or premature corrosion because of poor prep at the factory. Is that the case with Bennoto "Hecho en Mexico"??
VW fans seem to feel the same with Jettas and Neu Beetles made in Mexico. Maybe it's just perception caused by rumours and other "ugly" stuff....

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"Just got relisted for $325"....

Price Reduction!



BTW, wouldn't call it a "touring" bike, although you can tour with practically any type of bike if you want to.
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Nothing really "wrong" with them. Zero collectibility (I know, that's not really a word) at this point. When they were new, they were "OK", just nothing really that special about them, either.

Mexican made Fender Stratocasters have the same stigma. They're OK. Nothing super special. The Strat for the masses. But they are certainly not "junk" (by and large), either.
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I wouldn't pay $325 for it myself but I don't know what the New Orleans market is like.
I'm not an ardent flipper but I do watch the NOLA CL and eBay pretty closely and on average bikes are high-priced and lower-quality versus other markets. Given the lower incomes bikes are often primary transportation so there's a high demand (theft is rampant as well.) Since last fall I have noticed many (IMO) overpriced rides languishing unsold for weeks and months so perhaps demand is tapering off.

Supply seems to be lower as well - of course many steel bikes were lost in the post-Katrina flood and although there is a history of road biking here not many well-kept mid- to high-end models ever show up on the market. Lots of Puegeots; I believe one of the LBSs operating in the 70s-80s moved a lot of them (got an '86 Peugeot PSN-10 a while back.) There was a 3Rensho at a LBS recently but it was gone before I could get a look at it.
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