Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 02-03-11, 11:42 AM   #1
mainducoyote
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Bikes: 3Rensho Aero with 10 speed Centaure / Record , Lecroco , whatever bike I have for sale at the moment
Posts: 685
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Why did I buy this thing? Wait is that a Miele Colnago? (with pictures)

I just purchased this bike and I'm already wondering why, I just don't have the time these days for bikes requiring this kind of work. Don't get me wrong , it is a good bike with good components but it obviously has lived and some of the components swapped with whatever was on hand. You always have bad surprises with these.

Anyways the frame appears to be made of Gilco tubing as used on the Colnago Masters and I have read somewhere that some Mieles were made by Colnago. I have never see a Miele of this quality level and the bike feels very light. Yeah I know people with Shwinn Varsities have said the same thing, you'll have to trust my judgement on that. Anybody can confirm that this is in fact a Miele made under contract by Colnago ? Apparently that is what Mr. Marinoni told the previous owner.

Thanks.















mainducoyote is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-11, 11:51 AM   #2
91MF
i'll probably break it
 
91MF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Bikes:
Posts: 1,671
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
i like that.
91MF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-11, 11:53 AM   #3
sauze
Senior Member
 
sauze's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Winnipeg
Bikes:
Posts: 935
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I concur, I can't offer much in the way of knowledge though. Never seen a Miele that looked like that though (i'm light years away from being an expert on the subject).
sauze is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-11, 12:34 PM   #4
T-Mar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Bikes:
Posts: 12,485
Mentioned: 67 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 383 Post(s)
I can see a longitudinal indentation along the side of the top tube but that's it. This recess is far too subtle for Colnago Gilco and the orientation is off by 45 degrees, though Miele could have used a different orientation.

I'm not aware of Miel having had frames made by Colnago. He did have some early frames made by Rossin.
T-Mar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-11, 12:42 PM   #5
Picchio Special
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Lancaster County, PA
Bikes: '39 Hobbs, '58 Marastoni, '73 Italian custom, '75 Wizard, '76 Wilier, '78 Tom Kellogg, '79 Colnago Super, '79 Sachs, '81 Masi Prestige, '82 Cuevas, '83 Picchio Special, '84 Murray-Serotta, '85 Trek 170, '89 Bianchi, '90 Bill Holland, '94 Grandis
Posts: 5,063
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by T-Mar View Post
I can see a longitudinal indentation along the side of the top tube but that's it. This recess is far too subtle for Colnago Gilco and the orientation is off by 45 degrees, though Miele could have used a different orientation.
Correct, that's not Master-style tubing. It does, however, look like the channeled tubing used by Colnago on the Nuovo Mexico frames. Some of the other frame features are Colnago-eqsue (seatstay top eyes, for example), and others not (fork crown). It seems plausible that it could have been made by a Colnago subcontractor. Or otherwise obtained through Colnago. Colnago wasn't building all of their own frames in-house, though, so I'm skeptical that it was built under the Colnago roof.
Picchio Special is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-11, 12:48 PM   #6
mainducoyote
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Bikes: 3Rensho Aero with 10 speed Centaure / Record , Lecroco , whatever bike I have for sale at the moment
Posts: 685
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by T-Mar View Post
I can see a longitudinal indentation along the side of the top tube but that's it. This recess is far too subtle for Colnago Gilco and the orientation is off by 45 degrees, though Miele could have used a different orientation.

I'm not aware of Miel having had frames made by Colnago. He did have some early frames made by Rossin.
True, I don't know why I wrote that, I should know better, I've had a Colnago Master Piu and the indentetion , especially on the top tube was much more pronounced.

I really like the fork ( well except for the M that looks like it was engraved with a nail) , Its really chunky and the blades are almost round.
mainducoyote is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-11, 12:52 PM   #7
wallymann
Senior Member
 
wallymann's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Bikes:
Posts: 126
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
rossin used similar "grooved" tubesets, somewhat different to the master tubeset. the forming process and end-product tubeset looks less "sophisticated" than what colnago used.
wallymann is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-11, 12:55 PM   #8
worthlees
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Anderson county,TN
Bikes:
Posts: 132
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
When you get tired of it send it to me, would proudly give it a loving home!! Nice
worthlees is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-11, 01:23 PM   #9
bloom87
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Bikes:
Posts: 611
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
so weird : Universal Super 68s as brakes ! i love the year 68 but it's freaking retro on a bike like that !

c'est probablement du columbus SL
bloom87 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-11, 01:33 PM   #10
mainducoyote
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Bikes: 3Rensho Aero with 10 speed Centaure / Record , Lecroco , whatever bike I have for sale at the moment
Posts: 685
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Yep, very odd . I think the brakes actually come from a CCM Tour du Canada. The correct brakes should have a recessed bolt.

I was starting to think it would look good with modern components but the frame is much smaller than I first thought, 50cm.
mainducoyote is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-11, 01:51 PM   #11
SJX426 
Senior Member
 
SJX426's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Alexandria, Va
Bikes: '72 Motobecane Le Champion(totaled), '73 Bottecchia Giro d'Italia, '83 Colnago Superissimo, '84 Trek 610, '84 Trek 760, '94 Burley Duet, '88 Pinarello Tre Cime, '88 Masi Gran Corsa, '91 Pinarello Montello, '97 Specialized RockHopper, 2010 Langster
Posts: 4,997
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 50 Post(s)
Not an expert or even vagely close to one on Colnago's. My only reference is my 83 and those I have found on the web. I agree with PS on all observations but the fork crown. I offer a pic for comparrison:


Clarification on differences would help me understand the statement. Thanks.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Fork Crown.jpg (96.4 KB, 22 views)
SJX426 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-11, 01:52 PM   #12
bloom87
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Bikes:
Posts: 611
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
how much did you pay, just out of curiosité
bloom87 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-11, 02:00 PM   #13
SJX426 
Senior Member
 
SJX426's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Alexandria, Va
Bikes: '72 Motobecane Le Champion(totaled), '73 Bottecchia Giro d'Italia, '83 Colnago Superissimo, '84 Trek 610, '84 Trek 760, '94 Burley Duet, '88 Pinarello Tre Cime, '88 Masi Gran Corsa, '91 Pinarello Montello, '97 Specialized RockHopper, 2010 Langster
Posts: 4,997
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 50 Post(s)
BTW, I would keep it and do the work. I really enjoy my 'Nago dispite its age a quirks that come with the vintage. I would assume mid to late 80's frame based on the seat stay caps. Every other feature appears identical to my 83 except the head lugs. both rear stay bridges are the same as is the seat lug and BB with the exception of the cutout. Can't tell if the chain stays have the typicall Colnago deformation or not. Too many pictures of my 83 are here if you are interested in comparison. http://s985.photobucket.com/albums/ae332/SJX426/
SJX426 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-11, 02:13 PM   #14
mainducoyote
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Bikes: 3Rensho Aero with 10 speed Centaure / Record , Lecroco , whatever bike I have for sale at the moment
Posts: 685
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by SJX426 View Post
BTW, I would keep it and do the work. I really enjoy my 'Nago dispite its age a quirks that come with the vintage. I would assume mid to late 80's frame based on the seat stay caps. Every other feature appears identical to my 83 except the head lugs. both rear stay bridges are the same as is the seat lug and BB with the exception of the cutout. Can't tell if the chain stays have the typicall Colnago deformation or not. Too many pictures of my 83 are here if you are interested in comparison. http://s985.photobucket.com/albums/ae332/SJX426/
Thanks, I'll look
mainducoyote is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-11, 02:15 PM   #15
mainducoyote
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Bikes: 3Rensho Aero with 10 speed Centaure / Record , Lecroco , whatever bike I have for sale at the moment
Posts: 685
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by bloom87 View Post
how much did you pay, just out of curiosité
I stopped disclosing how much I pay for stuff since some people think that getting a good deals means you'll sell cheap but since it's nothing exceptionnal, here you go : 240$.
mainducoyote is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-11, 04:16 PM   #16
BlueDevil63 
my name is Jim
 
BlueDevil63's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Park City, Utah
Bikes:
Posts: 938
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Boy it sure looks like my old Colnago, minus the tube indentation. And not just the paint although that is very similar too:









__________________
http://www.cicloclassico.com
BlueDevil63 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-11, 04:48 PM   #17
Bianchigirll 
Bianchi Goddess
 
Bianchigirll's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Camp Hill, PA
Bikes: Too many to list here check my signature.
Posts: 22,656
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 87 Post(s)
great looking bike can you find me one in 59 or 60? . what are the rims?
__________________
Bianchis '87 Sport SX, '90 Proto, '90 Campione del Fausto Giamondi Specialisma Italiano Mundo, '91 Boarala 'cross, '93 Project 3, '86 Volpe, '97 Ti Megatube, , '90 something Vento 603,

Others but still loved,; '80 RIGI, '80 Batavus Professional, '87 Cornelo, '09 Motobecane SOLD, '?? Jane Doe (still on the drawing board), '90ish Haro Escape
Bianchigirll is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-11, 05:29 PM   #18
dashuaigeh
grad stud.
 
dashuaigeh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Austin, TX
Bikes: 1986 Waterford Schwinn Paramount, 1980s Schwinn Voyageur touring, Ciocc Designer #unknown
Posts: 702
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I remember seeing a Colnogo with multishape tubing in one framebuilder's shop. Is this grooved tubing the same/similar? IIRC, the tubing was extremely light and almost paper thin.
dashuaigeh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-11, 05:36 PM   #19
Picchio Special
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Lancaster County, PA
Bikes: '39 Hobbs, '58 Marastoni, '73 Italian custom, '75 Wizard, '76 Wilier, '78 Tom Kellogg, '79 Colnago Super, '79 Sachs, '81 Masi Prestige, '82 Cuevas, '83 Picchio Special, '84 Murray-Serotta, '85 Trek 170, '89 Bianchi, '90 Bill Holland, '94 Grandis
Posts: 5,063
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by SJX426 View Post
Not an expert or even vagely close to one on Colnago's. My only reference is my 83 and those I have found on the web. I agree with PS on all observations but the fork crown. I offer a pic for comparrison:


Clarification on differences would help me understand the statement. Thanks.
Correct about the crown. I've been looking at so many Colnago bottom bracket shells lately I must be neglecting the forks/
Picchio Special is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-11, 05:43 PM   #20
Picchio Special
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Lancaster County, PA
Bikes: '39 Hobbs, '58 Marastoni, '73 Italian custom, '75 Wizard, '76 Wilier, '78 Tom Kellogg, '79 Colnago Super, '79 Sachs, '81 Masi Prestige, '82 Cuevas, '83 Picchio Special, '84 Murray-Serotta, '85 Trek 170, '89 Bianchi, '90 Bill Holland, '94 Grandis
Posts: 5,063
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueDevil63 View Post
Boy it sure looks like my old Colnago, minus the tube indentation. And not just the paint although that is very similar too:









Very similar frames, and probably from the same time period. SJX426 is correct about the headlugs - the OP's bike doesn't have the distinctive Colnago scallop, which was probably omitted intentionally.
Picchio Special is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-11, 06:38 PM   #21
BlueDevil63 
my name is Jim
 
BlueDevil63's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Park City, Utah
Bikes:
Posts: 938
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Picchio Special View Post
Very similar frames, and probably from the same time period. SJX426 is correct about the headlugs - the OP's bike doesn't have the distinctive Colnago scallop, which was probably omitted intentionally.
Ah yes you are right.
BlueDevil63 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-11, 09:31 PM   #22
mainducoyote
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Bikes: 3Rensho Aero with 10 speed Centaure / Record , Lecroco , whatever bike I have for sale at the moment
Posts: 685
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueDevil63 View Post
Boy it sure looks like my old Colnago, minus the tube indentation. And not just the paint although that is very similar too:
Hey thanks, very similar indeed , the fork's paint and chrome are very close too.
mainducoyote is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-11, 09:34 PM   #23
mainducoyote
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Bikes: 3Rensho Aero with 10 speed Centaure / Record , Lecroco , whatever bike I have for sale at the moment
Posts: 685
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by dashuaigeh View Post
I remember seeing a Colnogo with multishape tubing in one framebuilder's shop. Is this grooved tubing the same/similar? IIRC, the tubing was extremely light and almost paper thin.
The tubing does seem paper thin form the sound it makes, I'll have to weigh the frame once the components are removed.
mainducoyote is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-11, 01:38 AM   #24
realestvin7 
Large Member
 
realestvin7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Tejas
Bikes:
Posts: 2,733
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I think she's purty. Nice find.
realestvin7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-11, 08:35 AM   #25
T-Mar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Bikes:
Posts: 12,485
Mentioned: 67 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 383 Post(s)
Italian styling was one of the original design objectives of Jim Miele, who was Italian by birth and paternal lineage. So, while it may look like a Colnago, this does not necessarily mean it is a Colnago, only that there was some Colnago influence, as Colnago was the most successful and publicy recognizeable Italian brand in the market that Miele was targeting. BTW, the frame is a 1987.
T-Mar is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:12 AM.