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    Reynolds 531 decal for a 1975 Raleigh Super Course MkII?

    Anyone have a pic or knowledge of the Reynolds 531 decal that was used on a 1975 Raleigh Super Course MkII? You can kind of see in the catalog pic below that the Reynolds decal on the frame isn't the same one shown on the top of the page:



    This one from Cyclomondo is close, but I don't think it's quite right.

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    The Ti band at the bottom is from '74 and later. Of course the manufacturers had plenty of old decals to use up, and the photo for a '75 catalogue would probably have been taken earlier than the write-up as well. The one on the bike pic appears not to have the lower band. So they don't match, and neither matches the Cyclomondo decal.


    So your choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ex Pres View Post
    The Ti band at the bottom is from '74 and later. Of course the manufacturers had plenty of old decals to use up, and the photo for a '75 catalogue would probably have been taken earlier than the write-up as well. The one on the bike pic appears not to have the lower band. So they don't match, and neither matches the Cyclomondo decal.


    So your choice.
    Yeah, I suppose my choice will be right no matter what! But I'd still like to see a pic of the actual bike with the actual decal. I had a '74 red/white MkII, but, of course, the Reynolds was gone.

    Neal

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    There were 2 versions of the gold bands: one said Reynolds Tubes, later it said TI. I'd go with Cyclomondo's without, they look better.

    Or upgrade to full double butted!

    "This one[/URL] from Cyclomondo is close, but I don't think it's quite right."

    Actually, that looks right. The one pictured in the catalog may have been an early mockup: never seen one like that.

    Hey, looked at your pics, you do have too many bikes! (last updated Dec 2009)
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    Well, I found these images on the interweb:



    I believe that's the decal that says "Frame Tubing" on the bottom, but notice there's no gold band on the bottom with Reynolds, Birmingham, info, like on this one:



    But then I found this one from a red and white MkII:



    Hmm. Consistency was never a Raleigh thing.

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    Neal, the correct one should be identical to the center photo, minus the Reynolds/Birmingham text below. My Competition might have it - bear with me on that.

    (Ironically enough, the '78 Professional MkV I have here now has an original 531 star decal on it - the type designed initially for the Schwinn Paramount.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
    Neal, the correct one should be identical to the center photo, minus the Reynolds/Birmingham text below. My Competition might have it - bear with me on that.
    Wouldn't your Competition have the "butted" variant of that decal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
    the '78 Professional MkV I have here now has an original 531 star decal on it - the type designed initially for the Schwinn Paramount.

    -Kurt

    Yeah, I'd love to hear the story of that! They do turn up on Raleighs for some reason.

    Quote Originally Posted by nlerner View Post
    Wouldn't your Competition have the "butted" variant of that decal?

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    I think the Competitions were butted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nlerner View Post
    Wouldn't your Competition have the "butted" variant of that decal?
    True, it does read "BUTTED" across the 531 lettering, but it is otherwise the same. To be completely correct, the Competition should have the angled 531 decal stating 531 rear stays, but it doesn't.

    I've long suspected that Raleigh would substitute certain 531 decals (i.e., those that would still represent the bike within reasonable ethical limits) if either batch would run low.

    Take care,

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbakl View Post
    Yeah, I'd love to hear the story of that! They do turn up on Raleighs for some reason.
    No story; even the '77 catalog shows that decal for both Professional and Competition:


    (From http://www.theheadbadge.com)

    Who knows - perhaps Schwinn refused part of the decal run, leaving Reynolds to use them on the Raleigh lineup. Remember Schwinn and the high-flange Campy hub issue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbakl View Post
    There were 2 versions of the gold bands: one said Reynolds Tubes, later it said TI. I'd go with Cyclomondo's without, they look better.
    I didn't see a "straight gauge" version offered by Cyclomondo. And there are at least two versions of the "Reynolds Tubing Co, Ltd." gold band decals -- without and with the Registered (R in circle) mark after the 531. My 1977 (butted) frame had the latter, though I think the decal's from 1976, because 1977 was the year TI bought Reynolds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Wahl View Post
    I didn't see a "straight gauge" version offered by Cyclomondo. And there are at least two versions of the "Reynolds Tubing Co, Ltd." gold band decals -- without and with the Registered (R in circle) mark after the 531. My 1977 (butted) frame had the latter, though I think the decal's from 1976, because 1977 was the year TI bought Reynolds.
    Hmmm, I just bought a French version, I guess straight 531.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Wahl View Post
    I didn't see a "straight gauge" version offered by Cyclomondo. And there are at least two versions of the "Reynolds Tubing Co, Ltd." gold band decals -- without and with the Registered (R in circle) mark after the 531. My 1977 (butted) frame had the latter, though I think the decal's from 1976, because 1977 was the year TI bought Reynolds.
    Yeah, that's the problem. Cyclomondo shows the horizontal "butted" frame tubes, which seems to be the one Kurt has described:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Reynolds-531-But...c#ht_500wt_910

    But I'm out of luck for the "frame tubing" decal I'm looking for. H. Lloyd's lists the following:

    --531 "Frame Tubing" transfer. Basic tubing spec transfer for 1977 - mid-80's.

    That sounds like it's the later variant than what I'm looking for. Hmm.

    Neal

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    Neal: if you are trying to be really accurate, then you might want to buy several from different suppliers and look at some other factors before making the final decision: size and colour. When looking to replace the badly damaged 531 decal on my 83 Trek, I ended up with samples from 3 of the favourite sellers most people turn to. All were excellent quality, but all were different sizes from each other (significantly different that is), and the green varied widely. Since you don`t want the gold band part this won`t matter, but for me none of the bands were consistent, and not one was the same as the original.

    This is not to be critical of any of the sellers - more it is to say that (surprisingly) decals are extremely hard to match exactly, even with all the new technology. Part of the problem is that Reynolds made so many different varieties, part is that manufacturers were not building for `trainspotters`and probably did not take a huge amount of care in selecting the `right`decal every time.

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    Thanks, Mark. Truthfully, I'm not sure how accurate I'll be able to be given that Raleigh seemed to be quite variable in its decal practices. I'm not striving for absolute authenticity, but I also don't want to get it completely wrong.

    Fwiw, here's the Reynolds decal from a '71 Super Course (another variant on the "plain gauge" theme):



    Neal

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    Well, if you want my opinion I can remember how outraged I was (as a teenager mind you) when TI took over Reynolds and (in my opinion) ruined the decals by putting on the gold band (when you are 15 things like that matter a lot! Come to think of it, maybe they matter now too).

    I think you should go with a version without the band, like the one Kurt pointed out as correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markk900 View Post
    I think you should go with a version without the band, like the one Kurt pointed out as correct.
    Mark
    That's my preference, too, but I don't see that any of the usual decal makers carry it. I've emailed Nick at Lloyds to see if he has it and will report back once I find out.

    Neal

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    I just checked my stash: I have these; many French for some reason.

    Maybe the top one is what you need, or is it not butted?

    Send me a message with your address if you want it.
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    ^ Thanks much, but I'm afraid none of those is exactly what I need. The top one is closest, but the variant I'm looking for doesn't say "butted" and says "frame tubing" rather than "frame tubes."

    Neal

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    I'm watching this with interest, I seem to have a red '74 MK II that needs a decal...

    Did you snag another S.C. Neal??
    http://bicyclenut.bravehost.com/Bicy...nt%20page.html

    The last two bikes on my list are a 50's Lenton Grand Prix and a '64 Raleigh Record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redneckwes View Post
    I'm watching this with interest, I seem to have a red '74 MK II that needs a decal...

    Did you snag another S.C. Neal??
    Bwahahahahah!!!!

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    If someone has a good picture of one I could get some made. Might cost 3-5 bucks each...

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    Neal: is it the apostrophes that bother you in this set?

    http://cgi.ebay.ca/Reynolds-531-Fram...item45ef840c19

    Edit: just noticed this is the same as the bottom one in dbakl's set....though the green seems closer to original.

    Mark

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    Quote Originally Posted by markk900 View Post
    Neal: is it the apostrophes that bother you in this set?

    http://cgi.ebay.ca/Reynolds-531-Fram...item45ef840c19

    Edit: just noticed this is the same as the bottom one in dbakl's set....though the green seems closer to original.



    Mark
    I think that one is earlier and even more basic.

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