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Old 02-21-11, 06:25 AM   #1
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1969 Bottecchia Giro d'Italia

I'm new to the site as a member, but enjoyed some of the posts from Kommisar89 and T-Mar, they did help me with a new purchase.

I now have a 1969 Bottecchia Giro in the stable; the bike spent its first 30 years as a shop ornament in NY, and its last 10 in the hands of an Australian collector. It is, to the best of my knowledge, completely original, and essentially unridden.

It does not exactly match the '73 catalogue specs, but there is nothing on it that would suggest that anything in its' component mix is not original. (But, of course, if anyone begs to differ, I'll gladly listen!)

If you're interested, I'd be happy to get a listing of all its components and some pictures up on a thread. That might not occur immediately, but once I get the bike re-assembled, I'll do so if you'd be interested.

As a newbie, I can't send personal messages, so........ It has to be a thread.

Best wishes Kommisar89 and T-Mar, and keep up your good work!
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Old 02-21-11, 07:57 AM   #2
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pics are always welcome! I just traded away a Botteccia frame of similar vintage. Simplex FD and RD.
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I believe I was keeping an eye on that Bottecchia on Ebay. As I recall, the price asked seemed very high for the bike, but that is really none of my business. People charge and pay what they want to, or have to. Anyway...

I am not sure that the Ebay bicycle was fitted with stock parts. And, I am not sure it is not. What I am sure of is, I am building up a late sixties Giro d'Italia myself, at the moment, and just waiting for decent weather, so that I can test ride it, before I repaint the bicycle and apply new art. Here is a picture of the bicycle, the way it sits at the moment.

The Campy crank set is being replaced with a Stronglight 49d, the saddle with a Dolemiti, probably since I have one to spare at the moment.

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I'd love to see pictures.
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The bike was sold in Australia, and from what I understand from the seller, he originally had a great deal more on it than it eventually sold for. I understand that I purchased it for just over half his first asking price.

Anyhow, a quick rundown on it as it was purchased.

The bits that are per the 1973 Bottecchia catalogue, as best I can make out:

Rims are Fiamme 36 spoke tubs, no red label on them, but they appear identical to a set of red labels.
Hubs are Campagnolo Nuovo Tipo
Tyres are Michelin Liberty 22x700 tubs
Spokes aren't stainless, but are 15/16 double butted. (The catalogue indicated spokes would have been nickel plated,and 'plastic coated', consistent with what's on it)
Crank set is a Nervar Star
Freewheel is a Regina GS Corse
Head stem is a Carnielli quill
Bars are alloy Carnielli
Saddle is a black Dolomiti B/17 Modello Gran Prix
Brake callipers are Universal centre pulls (but not stamped 61, so model unclear)


And the bits that don't appear to be catalogue correct (bearing in mind that the only catalogue I've got is a 1973 one) are:

Rear derailleur is a Campagnolo Valentino Extra
Front derailleur is a Campagnolo Valentino Extra
Shifters are Campagnolo Valentino Extra
Pedals are unknowns, at this stage, but they've been fitted with (very curiously) KKT japanese toe clips and Lapize leather binder straps
Brake levers are drilled Weinmann's

The bike was not fitted with a pump clip or bottle cage, and there are no marks on the frame to suggest it ever was.

Incidentally, was its correct bottle cage a Reg 164?

The only real item that's a bit suspect is the toe clips, the pedals certainly look the right age, and I'd go out on a limb to say that the derailleurs and brake levers are entirely consistent with its age. Kommisar89 or T-Mar did note in one of their posts that many were fitted with Valentino running gear, and Weinmann brake components from new.

Photos are the sellers.




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Many of the components on the OPs bike are identical to those found on the Bottecchia Special model, a lovely bicycle in its own right, but nothing special about the Special when compared to the Giro d'Italia or Professional, both of which have identical frame and fork sets, in case you didn't know.

This is a Special I picked up a couple of year ago for twenty bucks. The bicycle now lives in Japan...
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Yes, I was aware the Professional and the Giro d'Italia were the same frameset. It's probably hard to see in the photos I had, but my fork crown does have the correct painted cut outs, and the lugs are all cast, as they should be. Hard to see on the Special, but the lugs appear to be pressed steel.

Oh, and the top tube on mine still has its Giro d"Italia Model sticker! So I'm pretty confident it's what it's supposed to be.

Now, if anyone can confirm the correct bottle cage it should have been fitted with......
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Now, if anyone can confirm the correct bottle cage it should have been fitted with......
I wanted a correct cage for my PX10 but I refuse to clamp one to any of the frame tubing. With that in mind, I went for a REG handlebar mount, which seems to look as if it belongs. And, I found out there is an additional advantage...

There might not even be an actual replacement. One of a number of different brands could have been used, so at least you have a bit of a window to work with...



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Since you guys seem to be familar with the early Bottecchia's, I figured I'd inquire about a bike that showed up for sale locally. Assuming it needs some cleaning up, but paint and chrome are in good shape what do you figure I should pay for this? Owner seems to think its all original, and dates it as a 72.
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^^^A friend from Victoria just showed showed me this bike. Looks nice - That light is interesting.
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Though the picture is difficult for Winkin and Blinkin to see, my guess would be an early seventies Bottecchia Model Special, a mid level offering and a nice riding bicycle.

Value - who knows and if anyone should, it would be me. I have sold lots of these bikes and the prices fetched offer no pattern. Anything between a hundred bucks and four, believe it or not.

I paid twenty dollars for this old Bottecchia Model Special and sold it to a customer in Japan for close to five, as I recall. But it might have been closer to three and a half. Things do start to blur, after selling as many bikes as I have.
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After seeing some of the metalwork involved in the old spring loaded down tube cages, your handlebar mount Reg looks like a good option. It would look entirely "the goods" at l'Eroica. I now have quite a package of bits collected for the bike, including Nuovo Record shift levers, NR front and rear derailleurs. It was an abslute bugger finding the '68-'69 rear derailleur, but I got there. Still working on the Impero pump, silver non-frame-fit are pretty hard to find, I've only ever seen one for sale to date, and the seller wanted the national debt of Portugal for it. Still llooking. Have also been otherwise engaged getting the 'other' red bike at home into some sort of shape (Colnago Tecnos in Saronni Red, painted by Joe Cosgrove - look him up, one of his paint jobs won best of show at the 2010 North American Hand Made Bike show), so the Bottecchia's still awaiting some attention.
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mattOne, my aged eyes were defeated by the 100x75 pixel images, perhaps you could attach some at a larger size!?
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I believe my friend ended up buying the bike for a good price. - I forget what.
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Good to hear it went to a good home.
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