Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 02-21-11, 10:18 AM   #1
ColonelJLloyd 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
ColonelJLloyd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Louisville
Bikes:
Posts: 8,291
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 38 Post(s)
600 Tri-color Hubs. Should I build a wheelset with them?

I've done some searching and didn't quite find the answer. I have an opportunity to buy a pair of Shimano 600 Tri-color hubs for $50 in very good condition complete with skewers. The rear is a cassette hub. I'm assuming this is a Uniglide body. Is that correct? If so, I would want to convert this to Hyperglide, right? Is that an expensive or labor intensive operation?

I would want to use an 8 or 9 speed cassette with a 30-32t large cog. I would build these up with Open Pros or other high-quality clinchers and DB spokes.

Is this advisable or should I just look for another hubset?
__________________
Bikes on Flickr
I prefer email to private messages. You can contact me at justinhughes@me.com
ColonelJLloyd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-11, 10:35 AM   #2
MetinUz
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Bikes:
Posts: 915
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
What is the model number? 6401 was 7s HG, and 6402 is modern 8/9/10s HG. There may be an earlier UG hub, but I think only Dura-Ace was UG. They are really nice hubs.
MetinUz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-11, 10:41 AM   #3
ColonelJLloyd 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
ColonelJLloyd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Louisville
Bikes:
Posts: 8,291
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 38 Post(s)
Unfortunately I don't know the model number. I haven't laid eyes on them. They are for sale at a friend's LBS and he offered to pick them up for me. I have heard that the Tri-color stuff is pretty high quality and I need a hubset so. . .
__________________
Bikes on Flickr
I prefer email to private messages. You can contact me at justinhughes@me.com
ColonelJLloyd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-11, 10:43 AM   #4
RFC
Senior Member
 
RFC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Bikes: many
Posts: 4,468
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Actually, I have two sets of Tricolor hubs that came as uniglide. Uniglide is sort of like 8-track. It's a dead end and requires a Uniglide cluster.
RFC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-11, 10:49 AM   #5
ColonelJLloyd 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
ColonelJLloyd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Louisville
Bikes:
Posts: 8,291
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 38 Post(s)
I assumed they were Uniglide, but I thought you could convert them. What I don't know is how expensive it is to do so. I guess I'm looking for a recommendation of whether or not it's worth it.
__________________
Bikes on Flickr
I prefer email to private messages. You can contact me at justinhughes@me.com
ColonelJLloyd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-11, 10:51 AM   #6
RoboIsGod
Senior Member
 
RoboIsGod's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Boston
Bikes: 2013 Fuji Altamira 1.0//2006 CAAD8
Posts: 769
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I've got a 600 tri-color hub in the rear and it spins smooooth. It's a HG hub too.
RoboIsGod is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-11, 10:55 AM   #7
23skidoo 
Gone World Hepster
 
23skidoo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Lincoln, NE
Bikes:
Posts: 1,273
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I've got a few wheelsets using these hubs and I wouldn't particularly worry whether they were UG or HG; UG cassettes are not that scarce.
__________________
77 Trek TX300--78 Trek TX-300--79 Trek 510--83 Trek 520--83 Nickel Plated Trek 400--86 Trek Elance 400--75 Gitane Interclub--73 Viscount 'Death Fork SS--76 Viscount Aerospace Pro--80's Diamant Verbinnen--80's Basso--90's Montagner SS--84 SR Explorer MTB
23skidoo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-11, 10:57 AM   #8
ColonelJLloyd 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
ColonelJLloyd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Louisville
Bikes:
Posts: 8,291
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 38 Post(s)
How easy is to find one with a 30t or 32t big cog? Does UG shift as well as HG?
__________________
Bikes on Flickr
I prefer email to private messages. You can contact me at justinhughes@me.com
ColonelJLloyd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-11, 11:01 AM   #9
WNG
Spin Forest! Spin!
 
WNG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Arrid Zone-a
Bikes: I used to have many. And I Will again.
Posts: 5,967
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
I have two 600 rears, one is UG and one is HG, both 7-spd and at 126mm. You'll need to swap the freehub body and ideally, the axle to go 130mm. But Sheldon Brown's site stated it's doable with the original axle. Cost depends on where you source the 8-10 spd body. One kit just sold on ebay yesterday for $7 complete with road and mtb spacers and dust caps. High side about $35. If you have a co-op nearby, check the bins for a donor freehub body.
And yes, the 600 hubs are very nice quality. But in the end it may be wiser to buy a new set of hubs at $85.

Oh, and HG is better than UG. But does it matter? Probably not enough. UG should have came in 30 and 32t....I have a UG freewheel (not cassette) with a 32t low.

Last edited by WNG; 02-21-11 at 11:06 AM.
WNG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-11, 11:35 AM   #10
RFC
Senior Member
 
RFC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Bikes: many
Posts: 4,468
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by 23skidoo View Post
I've got a few wheelsets using these hubs and I wouldn't particularly worry whether they were UG or HG; UG cassettes are not that scarce.
True, but you are going to be limited to 7-speed. That's where Uniglide stopped. I actually have used my Uniglide wheels for single speed conversions.
RFC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-11, 11:43 AM   #11
ColonelJLloyd 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
ColonelJLloyd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Louisville
Bikes:
Posts: 8,291
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 38 Post(s)
I asked my friend to check the model number when he's there. I'm not going to shell out money for a UG cassette when HG cassettes are better AND cheaper.
__________________
Bikes on Flickr
I prefer email to private messages. You can contact me at justinhughes@me.com
ColonelJLloyd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-11, 12:10 PM   #12
champion city
Senior Member
 
champion city's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Edmonton
Bikes:
Posts: 152
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I have a set of the 6401 UG-only model. All that is needed to swap on a HG cassette body is a donor cassette and some tools. If you are swapping from 7-speed to 8-speed, a longer axle may also be required. It's a very simple operation, and I'd vote that you buy the hubs whether they are HG or UG.

I'm pretty sure Sheldon Brown has the instructions for the swap on the site somewhere.
champion city is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-11, 12:25 PM   #13
cinco 
Senior Member
 
cinco's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Colorado
Bikes:
Posts: 395
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
With a later hub like the tricolor (usually something in the 6400 series) there's a fair chance that it's both UG and HG compatible so don't just look at threads for the last cog. The freehub bodies which are compatible with both will have threads for the last cog AND the inside threads for a HG lockring (along with a keyed spline). Here's a comparison pic shamelessly stolen from Sheldon Brown:
Attached Images
File Type: jpg k7hub-3-stylessm.jpg (63.5 KB, 103 views)
__________________
My Bikes
cinco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-11, 12:54 PM   #14
WNG
Spin Forest! Spin!
 
WNG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Arrid Zone-a
Bikes: I used to have many. And I Will again.
Posts: 5,967
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
+1 Quick way to tell is to check the dust cap, the UG only is a flush plastic one.
WNG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-11, 12:56 PM   #15
ColonelJLloyd 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
ColonelJLloyd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Louisville
Bikes:
Posts: 8,291
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 38 Post(s)
My friend reported back with pics. The rear hub is FH-6402 and the front is HB-6400. The freehub body is like that in the middle of the photo cinco posted. It's HG that is UG compatible. The hubs are without skewers, but I'm still going to buy them. They're 32h which is what I'm after. A build with DT double butted spokes, brass nipples and Open Pros should be a winner.

Thanks all for your help.





__________________
Bikes on Flickr
I prefer email to private messages. You can contact me at justinhughes@me.com
ColonelJLloyd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-11, 01:08 PM   #16
lord_athlon 
Senior Member
 
lord_athlon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Bikes:
Posts: 936
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
I have the earlier 600 hubs, and I love them.
__________________
71 Raleigh Grand Sports, 74 Fuji "The Finest", 74 Schwinn Voyageur II, 79 Raleigh Clubman.
lord_athlon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-11, 01:15 PM   #17
ColonelJLloyd 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
ColonelJLloyd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Louisville
Bikes:
Posts: 8,291
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 38 Post(s)
So now I need to make a decision on a cassette. The only cassette hub I've used is a recent 105 hub with an 8 sp SRAM cassette. I'll be using a modern Ultegra long cage RD and Simplex Retrofriction shifters as bar ends. What are the arguments for 8sp or 9sp? Shimano or SRAM?

Thanks!
__________________
Bikes on Flickr
I prefer email to private messages. You can contact me at justinhughes@me.com
ColonelJLloyd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-11, 01:26 PM   #18
RobbieTunes 
Idiot Pro Tempo
 
RobbieTunes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: NC
Bikes: at Pedal Room
Posts: 20,589
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 190 Post(s)
1-Great hubs. Only use them if you want to roll away from folks on the downhills.
2-SRAM 9sp would be my choice. A little more delicate in the shifting, but I've always liked to run a tight seven and two for hills.
__________________

Robbie ♪♫♪...☻

Friends don't let friends drink and wrench.

1985 Raleigh Competition Racing USA Series-Coleman made me do it.....
1987 Bridgestone Radac - Aluminum (sadly, the frame is toast, RD hanger snapped off)
1988 Centurion Dave Scott Ironman Master - Steel
1989 Centurion Carbon-R - Carbon Fiber

http://www.pedalroom.com/members/RobbieTunes
RobbieTunes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-11, 01:38 PM   #19
MetinUz
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Bikes:
Posts: 915
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
Those hubs are ready for 9-speed. I like Shimano XT cassettes, they are quieter than SRAM and shift a little better too, IMO.
MetinUz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-11, 02:31 PM   #20
ColonelJLloyd 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
ColonelJLloyd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Louisville
Bikes:
Posts: 8,291
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 38 Post(s)
Ok. I guess I could go with:

SRAM PC-970: 11,12,14,16,18,21,24,28,32
Shimano HG61: 11,12,14,16,18,21,24,28,32

The Shimano is about an ounce lighter and about 60% more expensive.

Alternatively, I could go with a SRAM PG-850: 11,12,14,16,18,21,26,32

None of these options really appeal to me. I'll be using a 48/34 double and I don't see myself using a 117 inch gear. I just don't need it.

If I had my druthers, I think I'd go with the following:

8 speed: 13,15,18,20,22,24,28,32
9 speed: 13,15,18,19,20,22,24,28,32
__________________
Bikes on Flickr
I prefer email to private messages. You can contact me at justinhughes@me.com
ColonelJLloyd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-11, 03:50 PM   #21
surreal
Senior Member
 
surreal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: NJ
Bikes:
Posts: 3,084
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by 23skidoo View Post
I've got a few wheelsets using these hubs and I wouldn't particularly worry whether they were UG or HG; UG cassettes are not that scarce.

Where can i find 7 speed uniglide cassettes? I've been searching, and all i ever find are expensive DA ones on ebay.

-rob
surreal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-11, 04:01 PM   #22
Rabid Koala
Chrome Freak
 
Rabid Koala's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: San Diego, CA
Bikes: 1971 Chrome Paramount P-13, 1973 Gitane Tour de France, 1974 Raleigh Professional
Posts: 3,197
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I have 600 hubs on my Waterford Paramount. Originally I had 7 speed UG, I bought a single HG hub on ebay then switched the axle and freehub. I think they are very nice hubs, no issues so far anyway.
__________________
1971 Paramount P-13 Chrome
1973 Paramount P-15 Opaque Blue
1973 Gitane Tour De France
1974 Raleigh Professional
1991 Waterford Paramount
Litespeed Tuscany
Holland Titanium
Rabid Koala is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-11, 04:16 PM   #23
tugrul
Senior Member
 
tugrul's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Portsmouth, NH
Bikes:
Posts: 2,438
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Anyone buy one of those cheap new STX/Acera 7 speed freehub bodies on eBay?
tugrul is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-11, 04:32 PM   #24
surreal
Senior Member
 
surreal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: NJ
Bikes:
Posts: 3,084
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by tugrul View Post
Anyone buy one of those cheap new STX/Acera 7 speed freehub bodies on eBay?
You can get the same ones from a variety of online reatialers (jenson, treefort) for typically >$17. Seems like they cost a twin plus shipping on e-prey. I think i have one on my mt60 hub; works fine. I'm about to order one for an old 105 UG hub i have, but i think i'd rather find some cheap UG cassettes in the 12-28 rANge or something.......

-rob
surreal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-11, 04:45 PM   #25
WNG
Spin Forest! Spin!
 
WNG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Arrid Zone-a
Bikes: I used to have many. And I Will again.
Posts: 5,967
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Colonel,

Nice condition, too bad the skewers are missing though. IMHO, the sculpted and polished levers are very appealing.
BTW, which Ultegra long cage are you planning to use? If it's a 6500 GS, you may have trouble with a 32t according to Shimano.
I picked one up for an alpine geared cassette, but only to read in the included literature, max range is 27t. ?!? See pic...
Disregard if you have a different broader ranged model.

WNG is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:25 AM.