extraordinarul

Hi. Can you tell me what model of ciocc is this one? It says its "san cristobal". i've searched for "san cristobal" and all roadbikes i've found have different decals.



thanks

unworthy1

Yeah, it's a little hard to say: the fork is definitely not original, the stay cap and TT guides plus the main DT decal look correct to be a San Cristobal, but the HT decal doesn't match with mine and mine does not have a FD tab.
Better pix, please!

BlueDevil63 

Fork not original as said. Not enough pictures. I see what looks like two sets of bottle mounts and a front derailleur tab. That says 80s to me. Are the lugs the tear drop San Cristobal lugs? The down tube decal nor the head tube decal are correct for an 80s San Cristobal (or any other 80s Ciocc I don't think, when did they change to flying C). So those look like earlier decals on a newer frame or an older frame with a new fork and upgrades.

Chombi

Fork's definitely not correct. It looks like one of those replacement forks sold by SR, Al?, with the unicrown looking rounded shoulders. The San Cristobals I am familiar with are the ones with the newer decals with th football shaped "C", and the usually dark green metallic paint jobs.

Chombi

unworthy1

Mine is an early one, and that's the correct DT decal: it did not have the capital "C" with the point and the umlauts (due punti) do not overlap at the top. The OP's also seems to have some other details similar to mine, could be a transitional San Cristobal frame but may also just have incorrect (too early) decals...but very hard to confirm it without better pics of the lugs and BB shell. Edit: plus I've never seen a San Cristobal of any vintage with a DT panel, the decals are always on the main frame color.
BTW: PM me if you want to buy a proper Ciocc fork for that frame!

ciocc_cat

Signore Pelizzoli started building the San Cristobal frame after Claudio Corti won the 1977 U23 World Championship road race on a Ciocc at San Cristobal, Venezuela. My pre-1983 San Cristobal doesn't have the braze-on front derailleur mount and only the right chainstay is chromed, but it does have the "flying C". This frame appears to be later except for the "Ciocc" decals. Fork is NOT a Ciocc fork.

Here's mine (click-on for close-up):

unworthy1

for the record (and my embarrassment), here are some "before" pics of an early San Cristobal, it has no FD tab, has a "club" cutout in the BB shell and one in the lower head lug. These decals did not use the later "C" that some call a "flying C" (but that's Cinelli to me) and I call the "Cincinnati Reds C"

shnibop 

unworthy1- i LOVE the patina on the frame, any full shots?

ciocc_cat

Wow. Lugs and top tube decal look just like mine and I have the club cut-out in the BB shell and lower head lug. Only the Ciocc decals themselves are different - mine has the flying - or football if you prefer - "C".

BTW - Don't be embarrassed . . . your San Cristobal frame is a real beauty!

unworthy1

thanks guys, but the embarrassment is that I couldn't save the paint (it was rusted way past 'patina') or the chrome (which came off in big patches) so had to get it powder-coated, mostly just to protect what was there. Someday maybe I'll have $$ to get it restored to something closer to original (the paint was a very subtle light yellow metallic/pearl over chrome, with black highlights), but for now it's just off-white. I took only these detail shots in order to redraw the decal art (which came out very well, if I do say so.) Have yet to finish the project...will post pics when it's back on the road.
A few more pics in this album:https://s55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...obal%20before/
including one that shows the fork and its crown engraving...and even more rust!

extraordinarul

pics with the frame.. on the rear dropouts its marked "brev. campagnolo"

https://img33.imageshack.us/g/img5894n.jpg/

looks pretty similar with this one https://www.flickr.com/photos/55603836@N02/5473576570/

Picchio Special

I can see just enough of the lower headlug on the OP's bike to think it's probably a San Cristobal. It looks like it has the skinny point and the cutout I associate with the San Cristobals and some early Mockba 80's.

Picchio Special

I had one like that - well, better condition, but similar era. The other distinguishing feature is the way the fork crown card suites are done.
Does yours happen to have the Ten Speed Drive logo on the rear brake bridge block?

unworthy1

Yes it does, now clogged up with PC...BTW the bridge is Gipiemme, even though it looks just like one I thought Cinelli made, maybe one copied the other. I saw the faint stamping after the paint was blasted off.
To the OP: I see that the decal on the back of seat tube has the "plain" capital C, and the stay cap engraving looks earlier style, too. I think yours is just a year or two later than mine and maybe the only diff is the FD tab. You really should PM me about my fork: it's bad chrome, but at least it's a real Ciocc fork and I'm 90% sure the steerer is long enough (but measure yours) .

unworthy1

comparing the OP's frame to the one in Pellizoli's blog (which THE MAN remembers as the first generation: '82 or '83) seems there's a bit of variation: the Enrico frame has the "club" decal on the headtube, but the remainder of the decals all have the old plain Cap "C". Enrico's has no FD tab, and the brake bridge is a plain tube. can't tell if it has the "hourglass" chainstay bridge and no shot of the underside of the BB. Mine originally had much more chrome and fancier masking of the transitions than either Enrico's or the OP's. I think Giovanni made them like he felt, or perhaps Ten Speed Drive had a say in the particulars.

smirkdoff

I won this on ebay this morning... and I've been looking up for more info on forums and pictures... but i couldn't find any CIOCC frame that has a similar head tube decal... the details on it is also inconsistent with most CIOCCs... it will be great if any of you guys can help confirmed if this is a CIOCC San Cristobal and what year... or it is not a CIOCC at all (in which i will be completely gutted) = (

More picts from the seller here:https://www.flickr.com/photos/11521783@N05/5523609264/


p/s: Sorry, I don't mean to hijack... since this is a fairly recent post, I figured i shouldn't start a new post... = )

Picchio Special

It's definitely a Ciocc and almost certainly a San Cristobal - the top tube "San Cristobal" decal is correct. It has the nice skinny lugs, and is very likely from the early 80's.

unworthy1

Yep, like Picchio says^...chrome fork looks excellent, too bad the chrome on the rear is not nearly as pristine. Maybe a soak in oxalic acid will help that. In any case, you got a good one (and in a small size which must be rare, too)...enjoy it!

smirkdoff

Thanks guys.
The seller said its from the late 1970s btw 1978 to 79... so i'm looking forward to starting this project = )

Picchio Special

I think it could be very late 70's. My first impression was that it was a little later because of the under-BB cable routing - I couldn't remember whether or not mine had that feature, but Ray's did, so '78-9 is plausible, IMO.

ceelonium

I own a red Mockba 80' and am awaiting another Ciocc, blue in color (San Cristobal?) in the mail to arrive tomorrow. I just noticed in the pics that the head badge has the word 'Ciocc' spelled out. All Ciocc's I've seen were the 4-way clover playing cards badge. so this one is a bit new to me.

Any Ideas about this model?
Thanks in advance

horatio 

DiabloScott

Decals look like my 84 San Cristobal. There was another similar model as advertised below, probably an 85. Both came with Triomphe gruppos. I'd wager your blue one was too, and was upgraded to SIS in the early 90s.