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    Gimondi Chiorda Italian Road Bike

    A buddy found this a while ago for $20 and gave it to me today. I have not cleaned it up. Rides, and shifts nice. No frame dents. Some Campagnolo components. Brake levers are ****, and the rear brake calipers are not original. What the hell for $20. Photo slideshow link below.

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    Factoid - In the early 1970s, low-end Chiorda's were imported into the U.S. and sold by Sears. I should know - that's where mine (lower model than yours with Simplex Prestige derailleurs, Balilla sidepull brakes and steel rims, bars and stem) came from in 1972. I only mention this because of the familiar seat tube decal on yours.
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    They were sold with Campy Components at Sears?
    I was aware that Sears and Penny's sold them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarBiker View Post
    They were sold with Campy Components at Sears?
    I was aware that Sears and Penny's sold them.
    Not that I saw, but the seat tube decal sure looked like early-70s (pre-Free Spirit) Sears.
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    There seems to be quite a supply of old Chiorda bicycles in Thunder Bay. I have owned about six, so far. At the moment, the only one I have left is a Chiorda Mixte...

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    Wow! chrome lugs and Campagnolo components! It must be worth $1000!

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    Note the decal on the seat tube in the photos below and compare to that on the Chiordas posted above. Look familiar? That same decal was used on many early 1970s Sears bikes.

    My Chiorda had a sticker at the base of the seat tube that said, "SEARS Mod. CH/110 S-47419".
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    I had a much higher end Chiorda Gimondi several years ago. It was way too small for me, I ultimately parted it out after saving the parts I needed from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citoyen du Monde View Post
    Wow! chrome lugs and Campagnolo components! It must be worth $1000!
    Did anybody say it was a $1000 bike except you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabid Koala View Post
    I had a much higher end Chiorda Gimondi several years ago. It was way too small for me, I ultimately parted it out after saving the parts I needed from it.

    What made it much higher end?

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    "A bicycle built by a frame builder has the soul of the builder. A mass produced frame does not have soul. It doesn't know anyone." - Giovanni "Ciocc" Pelizzoli.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StarBiker View Post
    Did anybody say it was a $1000 bike except you?
    Well isn't every Italian bike with Campy components and great chromed lugs worth at least $1000? I once saw a Chiorda frame and fork that didn't even have any fancy chrome lugs or any Campyparts that sold for $300, so I figure if it has Campy parts and fancy chrome lugs it must be worth $1000. I saw a Bianchi with chrome lugs and curly handlebars just like this Chiorda that looked the same that had Campy parts that sold for $1200. It comes from Italy too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarBiker View Post
    Did anybody say it was a $1000 bike except you?
    you seem to be offended by the fact that no one's all to impressed.

    you seem to think that because it has Campagnolo parts that it's something special.

    while it's a perfectly fine bike, it's hardly anything special.

    it's also quite possible that those LOW END Campagnolo parts are not original.

    the dead give away that this isn't a high end bike is the awful crank, that seat cluster arrangement, the fork crown, the lugs, the drop outs, the rat trap steel pedals, the steel rims, the rest of the component group...

    although i'm not familiar with Rabid Koala's bike, i can tell it's a higher end frame, Campagnolo drop outs, windowed lugs, panto'd seat stay caps, Campagnolo BB and HS.


    for $20 you did fine.
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    This is a similar, Italian made bike with chrome lugs. Sold for well over $1000.00, less than a year ago...


    And this one sold yesterday, for over $700.00...


    So, perhaps the estimate was on the money, if you will pardon the pun.

    Make no mistake about it, prices are skyrocketing in the vintage road bicycle world, and I have a pretty good understanding of why - they are familiar, interesting and available...

    Once again, an old man's opinion.
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    Nice work Randy. Both are luscious.
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    Nice work Randy. Both are luscious.
    Luscious? Not according to some of our forum members. But to the buyers, luscious would probably be a great word, to describe each bicycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by randyjawa View Post
    This is a similar, Italian made bike with chrome lugs. Sold for well over $1000.00, less than a year ago...


    And this one sold yesterday, for over $700.00...


    So, perhaps the estimate was on the money, if you will pardon the pun.

    Make no mistake about it, prices are skyrocketing in the vintage road bicycle world, and I have a pretty good understanding of why - they are familiar, interesting and available...

    Once again, an old man's opinion.
    Very nice job on those Bikes. That's what this one needs. And excellent point about vintage Bikes. They sell like hot cakes in the $100-$200 range. And in this condition.
    I did not expect anybody to be impressed by the way. And from my original post what would make someone think that?
    This bike rides, and shifts very smooth. It will find a home.
    What type of vintage decal would be a good match for this? The Gimondi decal is coming loose a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by randyjawa View Post
    Luscious? Not according to some of our forum members. But to the buyers, luscious would probably be a great word, to describe each bicycle.
    I wasn't making disparaging remarks about StarBiker's Chiorda, but merely bringing up what I thought was an interesting fact about how some of them were imported into the U.S. in the early 1970s. The Chiorda's sold by Sears had lugged frames and cottered cranks which made them superior machines to the heavier, welded-frame, one-piece steel crank "Free Spirits" that followed. My Chiorda introduced me to cycling and carried me on my first "long" (10 to 20 miles was long for me back then) rides. Just because a bike isn't "top-of-the-line" doesn't necessarily make it less desirable or collectible.
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    I also like how you find your bikes randyjawa. Unfortunately our local dump will not allow scavenging. I am certain it has something to do with some person injuring them self in the process, and then suing.
    Not Bike related, but I found a couple vintage pieces of audio equipment one time, and did manage to get them out. They worked fine. One was an old Quad Technics Receiver, and the other was a Yamaha Surround receiver from the mid 90's. Cleaned them, and sold them for $175. WHY WOULD SOMEBODY THROW THIS STUFF OUT WITH A GOODWILL RIGHT UP THE STREET?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citoyen du Monde View Post
    Wow! chrome lugs and Campagnolo components! It must be worth $1000!
    Easily worth 25,000 Lira!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by randyjawa View Post
    Luscious? Not according to some of our forum members. But to the buyers, luscious would probably be a great word, to describe each bicycle.
    It's interesting, how each of us is so different. Some of us can find beauty in stamped steel cranks and crooked braze-ons. Others can manage only modest restraint when considering mass produced bikes and the people that appreciate them. I find people who seem picky and critical of others work are much nicer to other people than they are to themselves. Sometimes, that translates into exceptional skills and/or characteristics. Myself, I don't mind some challenging dialog as often the morsel that I seek is contained in a bitter shell. My burden is my burden, theirs is theirs.
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