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Old 04-11-11, 05:00 PM   #1
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25" Raleigh Superbe?!?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Raleigh-Superbe-...c#ht_764wt_905
Is that right? It does look pretty tall.
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Possibly a 24" measured wrong.
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I think it's a 23" frame. There was a 25", but that doesn't look it to me.
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Unless it had a long top tube, or super high BB, it's not a 25".

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That's a 23" seat tube, c-t.

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$550 for a Raleigh 3 speed? Without even a Brooks? FROM 1971?

Size is the least of the issues here.
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^^^ Don't forget the rediculously marked up shipping!!
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Looks like a 25" to me.
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Looks like a 23-1/2" frame to me. Reminds me of the ivory Sports I used to ride back then.

Raleigh cataloged a 25-1/2" frame to the dealers, but we never saw one. If we had a really tall customer who wanted a Sturmey Archer bike, Merle (the owner) would really push a DL-1 (Tourist) on them. Or, a Sprint 5 or 10, if the customer was willing to go with a derailleur. And in all the years I worked there we never got a Superbe in the shop, except as a service job.
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It's a 23" Superbe.

Closest thing to a 25" Sports that was noted in the catalog was the 1977, 3-speed incarnation of the Sprite; which was available as a 25" frame.

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Unless it had a long top tube, or super high BB, it's not a 25".

That's a post-1983, UK-only model with a slightly tweaked fork.

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It looks like a 23 and we have a 23 inch Superbe down at the co-op... it is complete save for wheels.

$550.00 is a really steep price... a really nice and completely serviced example here would sell for $350.00 - $400.00 which is not a bad deal when you consider you can't get a new bike as nice as this for that kind of change.
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Steep starting price, but I've seen Superbes fetch more with proper pictures. Sheldon and the OldRoads.com forum created a demand for the Superbes after talking them up so much. In reality, they're no better than any run-of-the-mill Sports with a few extra trimmings - and a S5 hub to drive you nuts.

A more worthy object to collect are pre-1965 Sports; especially pre-1960. Now those are well-built, respectable machines. They're still quite a few around, but not nearly as many in active circulation as the slap-dash '70s models.

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I don't know if it's because the area I'm in has tons of them, but you will not get over $250 for a Raleigh 3 speed here...you won't break $150 unless it has the Brooks on it.
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I've seen a mint 1976 Coffee Superbe pull $700+ about three/four years ago. Not that I believe for a minute that it was worth it.

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Kurt - I had a 1954 Raleigh Sports, my Dad's Bar Mitzvah gift from 40 years ago, in good condition, with generator hub and original lights...and I couldn't get $200 for it. It pained me to sell it, but my dad wanted it gone, I didn't have the space at the time and it didn't fit. I also just don't like that style of bike.

Of all the bikes I've ridden and sold...that's the only one I really regret selling.
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Kurt - I had a 1954 Raleigh Sports, my Dad's Bar Mitzvah gift from 40 years ago, in good condition, with generator hub and original lights...and I couldn't get $200 for it. It pained me to sell it, but my dad wanted it gone, I didn't have the space at the time and it didn't fit. I also just don't like that style of bike.

Of all the bikes I've ridden and sold...that's the only one I really regret selling.
That's because nobody was trumping up the superior build quality of the '50s Raleigh frames at the time. I would have been tempted.

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As memory serves, I offered it here at $150 and no one bit (probably the shipping). Not even an offer. I'm telling you, I had to WORK to sell it for $150. They just aren't worth much in my experience. They also seem to usually run large...I have a gut feeling that folks rode larger bikes back then.
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As memory serves, I offered it here at $150 and no one bit (probably the shipping). Not even an offer. I'm telling you, I had to WORK to sell it for $150. They just aren't worth much in my experience. They also seem to usually run large...I have a gut feeling that folks rode larger bikes back then.
You should have worked on me.

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I'll let someone else hit that softball.
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A more worthy object to collect are pre-1965 Sports; especially pre-1960. Now those are well-built, respectable machines. They're still quite a few around, but not nearly as many in active circulation as the slap-dash '70s models.

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+1. The earlier bikes were so well put together. They're way nicer to work on. The nuts and bolts are polished a little more, the spokes are stainless, the chrome is a little better, the paint is better. I could go on. Trouble is, that kind of thing doesn't show in an Ebay picture. You can see a Brooks and a rack no matter how cheap the seller's camera phone is.
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So I guess I want a really old 25" Sport.
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I just want on old 25" Sports, it doesn't have to be really old. The ones I already have are too small for me.
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Then get a 25" 1977 Raleigh Sprite 3-speed. It's as close as you'll ever get. Pretty much a Sports frame made for 27" wheels in the size you need.

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Then get a 25" 1977 Raleigh Sprite 3-speed. It's as close as you'll ever get. Pretty much a Sports frame made for 27" wheels in the size you need.

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I looked for a 1977 25" 3-speed Sprite for a couple of years. I ended up making one from an early 70s 5-speed derailleur model Sprite 27 that already had a Sports-style chainguard.

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That's nice. I like that style of fender.
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