Suntour Barcons and triple front ring problems.
#1
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Oregon City, OR
Posts: 1,597
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 95 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times
in
3 Posts
Suntour Barcons and triple front ring problems.
When I got my Univega, it came equipped with a Sakae Ovaltech triple, and SuntourAccushift Downtube shifters. I wasn't a fan of the reach for the shifters (My bikes are tall), and came across a set of Suntour Bar end shifters. Since Installing them, I've had such finicky shifting. I'll set the low limit, then the high limit, like I've done a hundred times before, and it will shift into all gears. Once or twice. Then I lose the range to get to the high, or the low. I'm going out of my mind trying to get it sorted out.
Do the Suntour Barcons not have the range to shift over a triple? They came off a bike with a double, was I mistaken in my attempt to swap?
Do the Suntour Barcons not have the range to shift over a triple? They came off a bike with a double, was I mistaken in my attempt to swap?
#2
Bianchi Goddess
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Shady Pines Retirement Fort Wayne, In
Posts: 27,858
Bikes: Too many to list here check my signature.
Mentioned: 192 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2930 Post(s)
Liked 2,923 Times
in
1,491 Posts
they should shift a triple OK. are they the index ones? is you cable slipping? is your housing compressing somewhere? when I saw the title I thought you were setting up a new triple and perhaps did not change the FD
__________________
“One morning you wake up, the girl is gone, the bikes are gone, all that's left behind is a pair of old tires and a tube of tubular glue, all squeezed out"
Sugar "Kane" Kowalczyk
“One morning you wake up, the girl is gone, the bikes are gone, all that's left behind is a pair of old tires and a tube of tubular glue, all squeezed out"
Sugar "Kane" Kowalczyk
#3
FBoD Member at Large
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Woodbury, MN
Posts: 6,094
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 30 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times
in
7 Posts
They should have more than enough range. They have shifted flawlessly on both my touring bikes, a Fuji Touring Series III and V.
Cable slipping at the FD?
Cable slipping at the FD?
#4
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 17,158
Mentioned: 481 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3810 Post(s)
Liked 6,694 Times
in
2,611 Posts
What derailleurs are you running? Pics of your setup would help a great deal.
Neal
Neal
#5
Phyllo-buster
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 8,847
Bikes: roadsters, club bikes, fixed and classic
Mentioned: 133 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2298 Post(s)
Liked 2,054 Times
in
1,254 Posts
Maybe the lock nut on the barcon is too loose to counter the tension?
#6
Senior Member
I think it may be the derailleur and how much cable pull it needs to span the range from low to high. It may be the FD needs more cable pull than the barcon provides.
#7
Freewheel Medic
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: An Island on the Coast of GA!
Posts: 12,882
Bikes: Snazzy* Schwinns, Classy Cannondales & a Super Pro Aero Lotus (* Ed.)
Mentioned: 140 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1452 Post(s)
Liked 2,195 Times
in
962 Posts
Also, check to make certain the down tube cable stop has not slipped. I had this problem on a Paramount which lacked a stop to keep the band from slipping downwards.
__________________
Bob
Enjoying the GA coast all year long!
Thanks for visiting my website: www.freewheelspa.com
Bob
Enjoying the GA coast all year long!
Thanks for visiting my website: www.freewheelspa.com
#8
Bianchi Goddess
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Shady Pines Retirement Fort Wayne, In
Posts: 27,858
Bikes: Too many to list here check my signature.
Mentioned: 192 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2930 Post(s)
Liked 2,923 Times
in
1,491 Posts
when the OP mentioned Accushift I assumed the shifters were brazeon, and he was using stops on the braz.................. HMMMM we need pics
__________________
“One morning you wake up, the girl is gone, the bikes are gone, all that's left behind is a pair of old tires and a tube of tubular glue, all squeezed out"
Sugar "Kane" Kowalczyk
“One morning you wake up, the girl is gone, the bikes are gone, all that's left behind is a pair of old tires and a tube of tubular glue, all squeezed out"
Sugar "Kane" Kowalczyk
#10
You gonna eat that?
I'm using Suntour Barcons on my commuter with a triple, no problems. Granted, I usually stay in the big chain ring unless I'm tired and trying to climb a hill.
#11
Oh Snap, not again...
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Cardiff, Ca
Posts: 606
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
I have Suntour Barcons that have plenty of range on the 52-47-34 (or something like that) triple with some to spare I run. I would agree with PastorBob, check that your cable is not slipping somewhere along the line.
#12
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: San Diego
Posts: 744
Bikes: Too many to list, all titanium or steel.
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 8 Times
in
7 Posts
When you push the left shifter all the way down, do you still have tension on the wire? If not, you need to pull that slack out and, as mentioned by PastorBob, look for slippage somewhere.
#13
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada - burrrrr!
Posts: 11,674
Bikes: 1958 Rabeneick 120D, 1968 Legnano Gran Premio, 196? Torpado Professional, 2000 Marinoni Piuma
Mentioned: 210 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1372 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1,751 Times
in
938 Posts
I went through this with a Suntour front derailleur some years ago. The bike as a Top Dog Norco Magnum SE, a beauty, if there ever was one.
The limit adjusting screws, on the front derailleur, have nylon inserts that help to keep the screws from turning under use. It the insert is worn out, the screws will move and you will loose your set adjustment.
I do not know if this is your problem, or not, but I share this experience anyway.
Also, your cable routing might have something to do with your problem. As mentioned by others, it is wise to couple your questions with good, clear pictures.
The limit adjusting screws, on the front derailleur, have nylon inserts that help to keep the screws from turning under use. It the insert is worn out, the screws will move and you will loose your set adjustment.
I do not know if this is your problem, or not, but I share this experience anyway.
Also, your cable routing might have something to do with your problem. As mentioned by others, it is wise to couple your questions with good, clear pictures.
__________________
"98% of the bikes I buy are projects".
"98% of the bikes I buy are projects".
#14
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Oregon City, OR
Posts: 1,597
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 95 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times
in
3 Posts
Pictures!
It doesn't seem as if the cable is slipping, as the "kinked" portion isn't moving. Maybe the housing is too long, and it's flexing? I'm routing out from under the bars in the "traditional" style, but it did this when I ran under the tape as well.
I recently changed the FD out for this one I came across in a parts box, but it happened with the old FD too.
It doesn't seem as if the cable is slipping, as the "kinked" portion isn't moving. Maybe the housing is too long, and it's flexing? I'm routing out from under the bars in the "traditional" style, but it did this when I ran under the tape as well.
I recently changed the FD out for this one I came across in a parts box, but it happened with the old FD too.
#15
Senior Member
If this isn't it I blame the lizard.
__________________
Bikes on Flickr
I prefer email to private messages. You can contact me at justinhughes@me.com
Bikes on Flickr
I prefer email to private messages. You can contact me at justinhughes@me.com
#16
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Oregon City, OR
Posts: 1,597
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 95 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times
in
3 Posts
There is a good chance it was the lizard, I've seen him running around with some Allen keys before.
I'll mess with it some more tonight, maybe install the downtube shifter and see if that corrects it.
I'll mess with it some more tonight, maybe install the downtube shifter and see if that corrects it.
#17
Senior Member
Jesse, Is the last picture one of a failed shift to the inner chain ring? If so, is there any slack in the FD's cable? Did you use new cables? Does the cable end remain seated in the shifter?
It seems to me that if you have it working for a couple of shifts the shifter has enough travel and something is going askew .
Brad
It seems to me that if you have it working for a couple of shifts the shifter has enough travel and something is going askew .
Brad
#18
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Oregon City, OR
Posts: 1,597
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 95 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times
in
3 Posts
Brad, you are correct, which is the maddening portion. It will work on the stand, then once or twice after. New cables, housing etc. I will check on the cable housing in the shifter, it might be slipping arond, as I'm always looking at the fd, not the shifters.
#19
Senior Member
Are you using derailleur cable housing or brake cable housing? Brake cable housing may look the same outwardly, but it can compress under cable tension. Derailleur cable generally doesn't compress.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
corkscrew
Classic & Vintage
6
03-17-10 10:37 AM