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Old 05-10-11, 07:04 PM   #1
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Wow, mint 71 Raleigh International

http://cgi.ebay.com/RALEIGH-INTERNAT...#ht_789wt_1141
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Old 05-10-11, 07:08 PM   #2
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That one is a re-list as the previous auction didn't make reserve with a $999 opening bid. Minty and ambitious!

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Cripes. I wish you hadn't shown me that.
(what's with those butt-ugly tires !?)
see...I'm trying to work on myself here.
oh. A grand and a reserve?
I feel better now.
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Cripes. I wish you hadn't shown me that.
(what's with those butt-ugly tires !?)
see...I'm trying to work on myself here.
oh. A grand and a reserve?
I feel better now.
If this one does well, I might have to place mine on the block.
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That's a lot of scratch but a very nice bike indeed. Those tires are putting a hurt on my eyes though.
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It's not complete. He's missing the spoke protector!
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Strange toe strap treatment.
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A couple of years ago I would have shat my pants over this one. The '74 I bought new was stolen, and I missed it so much.
Now I'm just happy to see a pretty one from time to time.
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That is totally cool. He needs to sell the tires to a Bianchi owner.
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It's not complete. He's missing the spoke protector!
Yes, and he/she is also missing the complete Campagnolo brakeset from the
complete Campagnolo NR group. So much for that BS!
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Yes, and he/she is also missing the complete Campagnolo brakeset from the
complete Campagnolo NR group. So much for that BS!
I can't access ebay to see the pic but if it is the listing I saw a few days ago, it is a very nice bike but way too small for me.

Internationals of this era came from the factory with Weinmann centerpulls. I always thought that was wierd but that's the way it was.
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Yes, and he/she is also missing the complete Campagnolo brakeset from the
complete Campagnolo NR group. So much for that BS!
I bet he also doesn't have genuine 1971 air in those funky tires either!
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Yeah, the Professionals came with full Campy equipment, but I guess the poor International owners had to suffice with the Weinmanns. Maybe because the International was intended as a sports touring bicycle, the Weinmanns would fit better with fenders.
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The International came with the rear hoop cable stop. That just doesn't look right all naked.



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I like the Internationals, and I think they're bordering on bargains - which is saying a lot for 70's Raleighs. The Pro was a wannabe Italian bike, and didn't have the cutting-edge panache of the Team Pro. The International was the gentlemanly "throwback" in the lineup. Less aggressive, and I think more character than the P10, P15 Paramounts. Someday I'll own an other one.
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I sure like those lugs..
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I like the Internationals, and I think they're bordering on bargains - which is saying a lot for 70's Raleighs. The Pro was a wannabe Italian bike, and didn't have the cutting-edge panache of the Team Pro. The International was the gentlemanly "throwback" in the lineup. Less aggressive, and I think more character than the P10, P15 Paramounts. Someday I'll own an other one.
I don't know - I've seen five or six Internationals of varying quality. The bad ones justify the "bargain" prices - unless you see it in person or are lucky enough to find a seller willing to disclose all (not to mention knowledgeable enough to find all the faults) - you can't be sure that you're getting a quality piece of merchandise for your money - hence, both the good, bad, and ugly sell for about the same price across the board.

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I don't know - I've seen five or six Internationals of varying quality. The bad ones justify the "bargain" prices - unless you see it in person or are lucky enough to find a seller willing to disclose all (not to mention knowledgeable enough to find all the faults) - you can't be sure that you're getting a quality piece of merchandise for your money - hence, both the good, bad, and ugly sell for about the same price across the board.

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Depends on what you mean by "quality." It's not a bike I would personally judge on workmanship - any more than I would a 70's Paramount. And frankly, that wouldn't be an issue with me, assuming it looks good from 10 feet. IMO, the clean ones with original bits are often a good deal. I'm not aware that they're so badly built or assembled that they don't ride or function acceptably.
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I'd think a Paramount generally to be cleaner built than a International, but I guess there's exceptions either way... The Pros always looked pretty good.
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What I noticed about the photos is the chrome is always either out of focus or too far away to see in detail. My impression is it was recently chrome polished but has lots of pitting which cannot be seen in the photos.

Oh, yeah, it's Paypal only, so it's a no-go for me.
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Oh, yeah, it's Paypal only, so it's a no-go for me.
Why's that? I only use PayPal, never had a problem. But this particular item is going to be too rich for me!
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We beat the Paypal thing to death in another thread. They want more information from me about my bank accounts than I am willing to divulge. Savvy sellers would do well to offer another form of payment.
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I'd think a Paramount generally to be cleaner built than a International, but I guess there's exceptions either way... The Pros always looked pretty good.
Perhaps true - but in none of these cases are you buying the bike because of the high level of workmanship. You're buying it for the overall design, look, vibe, mojo, whatever. Some of the very best Pros are pretty tidy, but even the Team Pros were intended to be cutting-edge racing tools and not examples of exquisite finish work. That being the case, when I'm "shopping" for a bike at this level, I'm personally taking workmanship largely out of the equation, unless it's egregious and/or the bike is potentially unsound.
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dream bike! there is a similar one hanging in my local shop that I just kinda nod to whenever I'm in there. a pricey road bike is not in the cards though - when I'm not riding around town on my Sports I want to be deep in the woods with my MTB.
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What's up with that front brake??
Brake shoes mounted wrong (open end to the front), shim next to the frame mounted wrong (concave part 90 degrees off? Such a professional sermon and an "untouched" bike with such apparent and simple faults?
Is that why he has that mediocre feedback?
I'm not so certain that this is an irresistable occasion ...
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